老马也不是从一开始就是老马的对不？他也是观察到阶级和经济现象以后加上长期的研究和总结才搞出理论的。所以，观察到现象始终是个起点。盖茨这样的注意到了这个现象或者说某些现象的局部，我不是说他有成为马克思的潜质，我说的是以他的智力水平（这一点可以相信吧）在观察到现象以后经过长期研究同样也是有可能对现象作出理论上的解释的。这是个很虚幻但是不可否认的可能性。作为理论当然不合格，不过作为调侃是绝对够格的。

复怎么说呢？

家园

嗯，这个以前在英国有个例子，就是前些日子

在和人讨论中提及的欧文。

也是资本家要走社会主义。开始搞慈善的时候，很风光，后来要搞真的共产主义时，就悲剧了。

他的经历，恩格斯有过总结。我摘一段在下面。

In spite of all this, Owen was not content. The existence which he secured for his workers was, in his eyes, still far from being worthy of human beings. "The people were slaves at my mercy." The relatively favorable conditions in which he had placed them were still far from allowing a rational development of the character and of the intellect in all directions, much less of the free exercise of all their faculties.

“And yet, the working part of this population of 2,500 persons was daily producing as much real wealth for society as, less than half a century before, it would have required the working part of a population of 600,000 to create. I asked myself, what became of the difference between the wealth consumed by 2,500 persons and that which would have been consumed by 600,000?” [3]

The answer was clear. It had been used to pay the proprietors of the establishment 5 per cent on the capital they had laid out, in addition to over 300,000 clear profit. And that which held for New Lanark held to a still greater extent for all the factories in England.

“If this new wealth had not been created by machinery, imperfectly as it has been applied, the wars of Europe, in opposition to Napoleon, and to support the aristocratic principles of society, could not have been maintained. And yet this new power was the creation of the working-classes.”

Note, l. c., p.22.

To them, therefore, the fruits of this new power belonged. The newly-created gigantic productive forces, hitherto used only to enrich individuals and to enslave the masses, offered to Owen the foundations for a reconstruction of society; they were destined, as the common property of all, to be worked for the common good of all.

Owen’s communism was based upon this purely business foundation, the outcome, so to say, of commercial calculation. Throughout, it maintained this practical character. Thus, in 1823, Owen proposed the relief of the distress in Ireland by Communist colonies, and drew up complete estimates of costs of founding them, yearly expenditure, and probable revenue. And in his definite plan for the future, the technical working out of details is managed with such practical knowledge – ground plan, front and side and bird’s-eye views all included – that the Owen method of social reform once accepted, there is from the practical point of view little to be said against the actual arrangement of details.

His advance in the direction of Communism was the turning-point in Owen’s life. As long as he was simply a philanthropist, he was rewarded with nothing but wealth, applause, honor, and glory. He was the most popular man in Europe. Not only men of his own class, but statesmen and princes listened to him approvingly. But when he came out with his Communist theories that was quite another thing. Three great obstacles seemed to him especially to block the path to social reform: private property, religion, the present form of marriage.

盖兹同志还停留在第一阶段。

复中国医生在非洲科摩罗灭疟疾很有成效

家园

WHO的人说的有点道理

必须灭蚊，不然过一段时间出现输入性疟疾怎么办？

复这种富豪的“投喂”主义，也好和马克思向提并论

家园

不能和马克思比，也没有必要和马克思比

不在同一时空比什么比，比棺材朱，电力李，什么王X聪一类的要对穷人仁慈多了。

复不能和马克思比，也没有必要和马克思比

家园

是楼上拿他和马克思比，不是我。