- == 系统问题,暂停聊天功能。==
- 【征集】西西河的经济学,及清流措施,需要主动参与者,『稷下学宫』新认证方式,24年网站打算和努力目标
主题:【原创】关于央视报道中国购买苏-35和拉达级潜艇 -- 种植园土
未提任何军售消息,只有一个报道称,俄军总参谋长参加习近平会见俄国防部长时说,说俄军已经准备好了未来10-15年的技术升级,包括su-35,S400以及北方之神核潜艇,现在生产线已经处于满负荷运转状态。
The chief of Russia’s General Staff took part in Saturday’s meeting between Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
“Today we’ve laid the groundwork for such arms supplies as the S-400 air defence systems, the Borei submarine and the Su-35 fighters for 10-15 years from now. The plants, which produce this hardware, are engaged with orders by 100 percent,” Gerasimov said.
DEFENSE NEWS发了一则消息如下:
Russia: No Deal on Sale of Fighters, Subs to China
TAIPEI — Russia is denying Chinese media claims that Moscow and Beijing have signed agreements to sell Russian-made arms and military technology to China, including 24 Su-35 multirole fighter jets and four Amur-class diesel submarines.
During a recent visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping to Moscow from Friday to Sunday, no discussions took place regarding “military-technical cooperation” issues, the ITAR-TASS news agency reported Monday. This was in response to an earlier report by China’s CCTV on the same day.
“The Kremlin is officially denying even discussing arms trade during Xi’s visit,” said Vasiliy Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST). “In Russia-China relations, specific arms trade contracts are almost never discussed by the top leaders, just the general approaches.”
Another defense industry source in Russia said there are strong reservations about going forward on the memorandum of understanding signed in December to explore the sale of the twin-engine Su-35s and Amur submarines to China.
China intentionally violated intellectual property right (IPR) agreements when it copied and manufactured Russia’s Su-27 fighter as the J-11B, according to Russia.
In 1995, China secured a production deal with Russia to build 200 Su-27SKs, dubbed the J-11A, for $2.5 billion for the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. In 2006, Russia canceled the deal after 95 aircraft when it discovered China had reverse-engineered the fighter and was secretly manufacturing an indigenous copy, the J-11B, with Chinese-made avionics and engines.
There are strong suspicions China will procure the technological know-how of the Su-35 and Amur and simply produce an indigenous version.
But not all agree. Gary Li, a senior analyst at London-based IHS Fairplay, said China’s research and development have moved forward.
“It no longer will seek to directly reverse engineer everything it buys, but maybe adopt parts of the platform for other projects [and] integrate into domestic designs,” he said.
There also are concerns China wants access to the Su-35’s Saturn AL-117S engine, which is outfitted on the T-50, a prototype of Russia’s fifth-generation Sukhoi PAK FA stealth fighter.
However, Kashin said the risks of selling the Russian engine to China are negligible.
“An engine cannot be copied by obtaining a sample,” he said.
Li said he could envision Chinese aerospace engineers studying the aircraft’s engine and thrust-vectoring for future inclusion, as well as the Amur sub’s air-independent propulsion, but it will still be more than a decade before China will stop having to order engines to replace “worn-out ones,” as it has been doing with the J-11 and J-10 fighters.
“It always takes a few years before they can make a domestic alternative,” Li said.
Kashin cautions that a Chinese attempt to copy the Su-35, as they did with the Su-27, would be more difficult, “because this time, our Ukrainian ‘brothers’ cannot help them by selling the Chinese all the technology they lacked for a handful of dollars. I think the Amur situation will be generally the same.”
Ukraine has been accused of selling China former Soviet defense technologies, but it has no access to information regarding newer systems, such as the Su-35 and Amur.
“The Amur ultimately isn’t a strategic submarine, and as Russia’s interests in the Far East are not yet that ambitious, they can afford to sell them to China,” Li said. “How better to keep the U.S. pivot off their backs?”
- 相关回复 上下关系8
🙂买苏35说明太行还是不太行,军方也不抱幻想了 围观群众 字120 2013-03-26 02:36:47
🙂洗洗睡吧,能有经国登辉上场就是了 1 bjinjin 字144 2013-03-25 21:22:53
😉说得有道理! 闯江湖 字0 2013-03-26 02:38:54
🙂CCAV的报道靠不靠谱啊,查了塔斯社23-24日报道
🙂央视业务不熟,被俄罗斯之声纠正 16 种植园土 字1968 2013-03-25 21:54:00
🙂园主分析的有道理! 4 龙战 字215 2013-03-26 07:51:35
🙂央视放烟幕弹也属正常,也属战忽局的工作。。 拿不准 字31 2013-03-25 23:14:59
🙂Defense News 背景 1 种植园土 字288 2013-03-25 21:27:37