西西河

主题:睡前消息422文稿:马督工悬赏5万,保卫连花清瘟 -- 万年看客

共:💬184 🌺1404 🌵26 新:
全看分页树展 · 主题 跟帖
家园 断章取义的玩意

点看全图

点看全图

第一,这段话是出现在 Questions and answers (begun on Day 1 and continued on Day 2), 也就是说中国中医代表讲完之后,专家委员会进行质询和答疑阶段。实际这个可以类比为大学毕业答辩里你讲完了后导师对你的质询,而导师必然会找些问题的,尤其在有那么多为导师的情况下。

第二, Efficacy: preventative effects of TCM 中医对新冠预防的有效性,这是完整的一段。毫无疑问,因为中国在武汉初期预防住之后,中国实际没有多少病例了,不可能做大规模的临床试验了,尤其对孕妇和儿童做大规模的这种预防效果的试验几乎是不可能的。因为中国2年没多少感染,根本出不来对照组的量。

There was a discussion about how one could determine the possibility of prevention from a few hundred people when the medicine might be given to hundreds of thousands. In particular, owing to limited safety information on pregnant women and children using TCM against COVID-19, what criteria have been taken to conduct a large-scale clinical trial?

大规模临床试验在中国之前中国动态清零非常有效,一年感染数量可能才1,2万的情况下,怎么可能针对孕妇和儿童进行预防有效性的大规模临床试验。

In response it was stressed that, so far, pregnant women and children have been treated with certain TCM with no serious adverse reactions. It was stated that one study that was not included among the 12 submitted to the meeting, and that had not yet been published, had looked at 202 children who were treated with TCM in six provinces at different times during the past two years and found that no adverse reactions had been reported. It was also pointed out that, as in conventional medicine, TCM has certain contraindications for pregnant women

and doses are adjusted according to age and weight.

这一段实际是中国的治疗实践中 针对孕妇和儿童,中医是 no serious adverse reactions. 没有严重不良反应。 对过去2年6个省202位儿童患者的统计也没有严重不良反应(202 children who were treated with TCM in six provinces at different times during the past two years and found that no adverse reactions had been reported. )

好,重点来了。

(However, one participant noted that, according to a WHO publication on medicinal plants, these substances should not be used in women and children without prior data).

括号里这句话,就是有一位与会专家注意到了(noted that), 根据WHO关于药用植物的指南,在没有数据之前,这些药物对孕妇和儿童的应该谨慎使用(should not be used )

毫无疑问,马逆看到这句就高潮了,G点了。所以说马逆或者他的所谓团队是认真看了WHO报告的,但看的目的是歪的。

WHO对一些草药对孕妇儿童的使用是谨慎的很正常,中医本来就是中国的传统医学。没有WHO之前就没有中医了吗?就不能开方子看病了吗?

.It was also pointed out that, as in conventional medicine, TCM has certain contraindications for pregnant women and doses are adjusted according to age and weight.

中医本来就是一种传统医学(conventional medicine),没有WHO的时候也是能给孕妇儿童看病的。WHO本来也从来没真正在全球范围内认可过中医,大家本来就是2个体系,2个套路。

所以这里有一位专家在这个事情上挑刺并不是什么意外的事。或者说,考虑这位专家的意见,在其他国家中医治疗新冠的推广中,先把孕妇儿童排除也没什么,谨慎一点又不是错。其他国家没有中医理论体系和使用传统,也没有中医医生。

而马逆的 “而报告正文指出中国的中医药实验不规范,在妇女儿童身上乱测试” 已经完全是明目张胆的造谣了。 “实验不规范,在妇女儿童身上乱测试“,如果真的是这样,WHO还会把这个东西挂在WHO官网上吗?

整个专家会议的关键结论是这样的

点看全图

马逆这种看了报告还敢明目张胆的造谣的,无非就是觉得WHO不可能追究他造谣而已。按照中国现在法律,网络造谣好像属于公诉了,中医药从业者按说可以尝试起诉他了。他这种造谣,必然会让上海一类地方的某些大聪明们抵制国家的中医中药救治,这也能解释为什么上海现在死亡率怎么突然上来了。如果有百分之十或者二十的上海感染者拒绝国家的中医中药治疗,那么这批人的死亡率应该就会拉到和美英德这类国家类似的1%+的水平。有5万患者从一开始轻微期拒绝中医中药介入,那么这5万人的死亡率折算下来就会有6-7百的死亡,这个和上海现在的数据很吻合。而人家吉林虽然也有了数万数量级的,但没马逆,网红张,没那么多布尔乔亚大聪明,国家给的中医老老实实的喝,吉林的死亡率就是中国中医中药全面介入治疗下正常的万分之一左右水平。

马逆这断章取义,吃的是人血馒头。

通宝推:乾道学派,曾自洲,
全看分页树展 · 主题 跟帖


有趣有益,互惠互利;开阔视野,博采众长。
虚拟的网络,真实的人。天南地北客,相逢皆朋友

Copyright © cchere 西西河