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家园 国际羽联的这个制度，就是惩罚刻骨训练成绩优异者，是比烂的 始作俑者！其实问题的关键，还是欧洲中心主义西方中心主义！如果比赛的优异者是西方人，这个赛制是不会调整的，不会给低排名的选手更多初赛机会的，人家羽联官员们在意的是在“国际”也就是西方社会的关切的程度。你中国选手都那么优秀，西方大人们都不太能搀和的进来，那怎么行！要多给低排名的西方人机会！不在乎牺牲优秀运动员的精力和表现。看看英国卫报的评论：
《卫报》的观点与林丹有一定的相似之处。本届奥运会，国际羽联为了照顾弱队以及排名靠后的选手，特意安排了小组赛，意在让他们得到更多的比赛机会。然而，这种赛制直接给了强队有选择淘汰赛对手的空间和余地。类似这样的场面，曾经在汤姆斯杯等比赛中出现过，强队总是能够利用小组赛提前出线的优势，在最后一轮通过比赛的胜负来选择理想的对手。
《卫报》最后认为，国际羽联此次关于赛制的改革显然有些得不偿失。虽然在一定程度上给了低排名选手更多出塞机会，但是却彻底砸了自己的招牌和面子。因而所有羽毛球界的人士必须做好心理准备，在2016年的巴西里约热内卢，我们将有可能看不到羽毛球比赛。
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家园 要分清责任 主要责任是这个脑残的小组赛制度，如果打输了更有利，谁会去拼命吃亏？
次要责任是相关国家教练，官员。只告诉队员要打输，也不考虑怎么打输，不考虑后果。运动员缺乏这方面经验，当然要靠背后团队的。
运动员也是有责任的，打成这个样子，即便是合法的，也不是合理的！
所以处罚运动员也是应该的，被抓住了只能说运气不好。
但是，要处罚一起处罚，羽联为什么不处理，还有脸说制度好。
为什么后面的教练员和官员不处理？！他们出的馊主意，现在躲那里去了。
真正让人气愤的是专挑运动员这个软柿子捏。
羽联不会处罚自己，教练又不受控制，所以最后就抓两个替罪羊了事，不再追究他人。
这是最“简单”的方式，但根本解决不了问题。再次体现了某批人的没脑子和不考虑后果。
新华社强调奥运精神谴责运动员，也是正确的。官方媒体必须要做正面的舆论导向。但是不能抓小放大，小喽啰拍死，阎王爷呢？
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家园 干脆在这里贴一下吧，WJS的调查，61%的支持保留实力 Justin Murray Wrote:
Perfectly fine strategy. If you introduce penalties for "not playing your hardest", that creates too much subjectivity as we have no standards on what "hardest" means. This is done in sports all the time. NFL teams that secure home field advantage for the playoffs put their second and third string players in the final games. World Cup teams that secure a spot in the elimination round will back off in the final game of group play to avoid wasting energy.
If the organizers don't like the behavior, don't have group play or round robin stages and use the single elimination format.
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Stephen Borsher Replied:
When you consider that the women's gymnastic all around excludes the best qualified athletes by limiting each country to only two qualifiers, what choice do athletes have but to game the system. Honesty, integrity, and sensible rules start at the top. The politicians don't adhere to that either.
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David Corwin Wrote:
The goal is to win the gold medal, not this particular match. The is a commonly strategy in sports. During the EUFA European Cup last month, there was a debate on whether Spain should have score the goal in the last few minutes of the group match to revive Italy. Even armies will retreat temporarily to secure a better position for battles.
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jack wang Wrote:
This is totally unfair to the players. The organizer made up this stupid rules of ' win for a loss'. So the players would rather 'lose to win the interest'. The officials who made the game plan not making sense should be punished, not the players.
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Sean Wang Wrote:
With all the top seeds removed, perhaps now Denmark or Australia may finally have a chance in this sport.
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David Wilson Wrote:
If the pair wins, they don't gain anything but they hurt their country's interests. Who made such stupid rules?
国外淫民不够普世，不理解“奥运精神”啊？不如国内的好忽悠啊。链接：http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/asias-question-day-783/topics/fair-athletes-try-lose-order
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Disqualifying the players is wholly unfair. They are punished for the failings of the administrators. Apparently it was the organiser's wish that the players expend their best efforts in reducing their chances of winning the tournament. Would that have been any more ludicrous?
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Believe me, the British would do the same if they were given the opportunities, but they have a better system to prevent their sports men/women from making these kind mistakes. For example, in football, the last group matches all have to be played at the same time...... So, this is really an administrative issue rather than a scandal as portraited by the British press. I am sure the British reporters knew this was a consequence of the bad administrative system and can be prevented, but they are not interested in that. They just want to make a meal out of this for themselves.
Please stop pointing the fingers - Chinese, Korean, badminton..... Human beings are more or less the same. The British is no better species. However, there is indeed a hard lesson to learn for the sports administrators of the developing countries - you need to improve your system, learn something from that of the western dominated sports!
The Olympics is fortunately not run by the British press, so believe me again, badminton is safe in Olympics.
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家园 处罚当兵的算什么 运动员在赛场执行的是教练的计划，应该处罚教练
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家园 不过话说回来，奥委会主席大人对羽毛球还真是挺祥瑞 92年奥运会女单决赛，王莲香对谁，可能是方诛贤。难得萨马兰奇到场准备给冠军颁奖，偏偏两人大打拉吊，当时又是互换发球得分制，段时间内无法分出胜负。萨马兰奇也是大忙人，最后实在没法等比赛结束，半道离去。这成了羽毛球后来每球得分制改革的动力之一。这次罗格到场捧场，也闹出这么一出，看看事后能拿出什么招数。
家园 呵呵，最新的招数是，计划在16年取消羽毛球比赛 这么一来大伙儿都省心了
这次中国代表团这么低调应对，大概是为了保住羽毛球的奥运席位吧，好歹能拿两三块金牌呢，要是没了羽毛球，从哪儿找补回这两三块金牌啊
家园 下届还取消不了。但是明年会通过2020年的项目设置 要是明年羽毛球上榜，给大家表决，那就惨了。如果2/3通过，羽毛球在2020年就会像今年的棒球垒球一样消失了。羽毛球反正就你们几个国家玩，而且臭事一拎一箩筐，那就请出去算了。当年自行车因为屡次出兴奋剂问题，都有人动议把自行车从奥运会踢出去。自行车那比羽毛球的普及度大得多啊。
在05年，奥运会的濒危项目是：跆拳道、现代五项、棒球、垒球、羽毛球。后来05年果然表决把棒球和垒球踢出去了。我觉得很多人不从大局出发，一昧抨击国际羽联，为自己辩解，这次真的是不行。也得体会一下羽毛球界的良苦用心啊。羽毛球已经到了生死存亡的关头，不整治真的就没前途了。