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                  • 家园 没做亏心事,也怕鬼敲门

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                    这里就事论事嘛,何必又扯些没用的呢,呵……

              • 家园 是吗?

                连警察都不敢像你这么说,要编个瞎话找杀人理由(可惜被拆穿),你就这么肯定?

                当地70%以上是黑人,警队里才6%,这比例就很说明问题。美国警察和黑人之间关系紧张是秃子头上的苍蝇,明摆着的。之前白人农场主跟警察持枪对峙就没有伤亡,你怎么敢肯定这次换了个白人警察也会开枪?

                • 家园 大卫教事件后

                  (死伤者基本就是白人吧?)

                  美国对群体对峙事件的方针不就是拖吗。

                  • 家园 美国对于向政府申报过并且按照政府规定的路线前进的群体活动

                    这类活动才是拖。其他类型的活动,轻点的跟“占领华尔街”一样倒霉,重点的跟“老兵游行”一样倒血霉。

                    美国很文明?相比欧洲对待群体对峙还更配得上这句话,好歹不会动不动的上真子弹。

                    此外回罗密欧,美国那边的警察很敏感的。让你别动就别动,至于持枪对峙,网上youtube还能搜到那个在家里拿着枪和警察对峙都算不上,然后被警察用mp5打成抹布的视频。

              • 家园 瞧你怎么想问题的

                我们推一万步,直接有罪推定好了,那么:

                1.警察没有别的手段么?没有电击枪?

                2.开枪了就一定要射死么?还补枪?

                3.言语挑衅,罪至死么?

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                一句话,草菅人命。

                还有为警察开脱的,真不可思议。

                培养出这样的警察的制度有问题。

                培养出为这样的警察开脱的制度也有问题。

                • 家园 视频中警察一点问题都没有

                  按照美国法律,警察执法的时候,让你不动,你就不能动。像视频中黑人在警察警告后,还往前冲,警察完全可以合理、合法地开枪。而且开枪还一定要直接打要害,打就打到对方不动为止----这是美国法律的规定,否则警察有吃官司的危险。

                • 家园 在一个枪支泛滥的地方

                  嫌疑犯有枪的可能不小吧。

                  不断前进跟口头威胁一样吗?

                  电击抢是单发的,一击不重的话,使用者就危险了。。。

                  • 家园 美国警察就那样

                    河里不少在美国的,他们应该知道。让你别动,就别动,动了就开枪,必须打的不能动了,才停手。

                    这样的制度才能保证执法的威严,不然没有办法。像天朝这种动不动就打警察的,估计是世界唯一了。

                    这也是制度的问题啊。哈哈。

                    • 家园 就算没吃过猪肉也看过猪跑呀。

                      虽然河里的海外华人没被警察抓过,也应该看过警察抓人吧。

                      美国警察抓人的标准程序是,

                      离很远就警告嫌疑人,双手举起来,

                      然后面朝下趴地上,然后双手放在后背上。

                      这个时候警察才过来上手铐,

                      上完手铐就把嫌疑人的所有口袋都翻出来,东西扔一地,然后再搜身。

                      美国警察抓人的时候根本没废话,有话去跟法官说。

                      说的都是命令或者在执法,不听就是妨碍执法,拘捕。

                      视频里那个警察一点事都没有,那个黑人不听话就有开枪的可能性了。

                      最后那个黑人倒在警察脚下,说明经常距离上警察有开枪的必要性了。

                      美国和国内最大的不同是,警察是执法的工具,不是讲理,评理的人,法院才是讲理的地方。

                      • 家园 今天基督教科学这箴言报的一篇文章

                        (其实是转美联社的)介绍美国警察动武的标准,举了一个真实案例(警察对一个“形迹可疑”的糖尿病人粗暴执法,糖尿病人把警察告上法庭却败诉)。

                        How a 1989 Supreme Court case will shape Ferguson investigation

                        The national legal standards that govern when police officers are justified using force against people trace their lineage to a 30-year-old case from Charlotte, N.C.

                        http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0822/How-a-1989-Supreme-Court-case-will-shape-Ferguson-investigation

                  • 家园 不断前进什么的,人都死了你还要不断抹黑

                    好了不扯了,上干货,看看人民群众的观感是如何:

                    外链出处

                    But many who have seen the video think it is anything but exculpatory. It raises questions about aspects of the story police told in the immediate aftermath of the shooting — Powell does not appear to charge the police with his knife held high, and he is shot when he is farther away than two or three feet, for instance.

                    It's more than just that, though. The events on the video happen quickly, but they also happen slowly. Powell does not move like a man who poses a threat. There is no evidence that anyone felt threatened before the police arrived. Even when he advances on police, he walks, rather than runs. He swings his arms normally, rather than entering into a fighting stance.

                    Powell looks sick more than he looks dangerous. But the police draw their weapons as soon as they exit their car. They begin yelling at him to stop. And when they begin shooting, they shoot to kill — even continuing to shoot when Powell is motionless on the ground. There is no warning shot, even. It does not seem like it should be so easy to take a life.

                    The police arrive and instantly escalate the situation. They don't seem to know how to stop Powell, save for using deadly force. But all Powell had was a steak knife. If the police had been in their car, with the windows rolled up, he could have done little to hurt them. It is impossible not to wonder what would have happened if the police didn't have deadly force on their hips, if all they had were tasers or batons. It is impossible not to wonder what would have happened if the police had simply never shown up at all.

                    It is easy to criticize. It is easy to watch a cell phone video and think of all the ways it could have gone differently. It is easy to forget that the police saw a mentally unbalanced man with a knife advancing on them. It is easy to forget that 20 seconds only takes 20 seconds. It is easy to forget that police get scared. It is easy not to ask yourself what you might have done if you had a gun and a man came at you with a knife.

                    But there is still something wrong with that video. There is something wrong that the video seems obviously exculpatory to the police and obviously damning to so many who watch it. The dispute over the facts in the Michael Brown case offers the hope that there is a right answer — that Wilson either did clearly the right thing or clearly the wrong thing. The video of the Powell case delivers a harder reality: what the police believe to be the right thing and what the people they serve believe to be the right thing may be very different.

                    This man needed help. He had a knife, but he also, clearly, had an illness. After watching the video, Vox's Amanda Taub said, "I keep thinking about the times when I have called 911 because I have encountered a mentally ill person in public who seems unsafe. I don't know how I would live with it if this had been the result." There has to have been a way that police could have protected Kajieme Powell rather than killed him.

                    视频在这里

                    民众在看了视频后的反应

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                    我认为不能怪警察,妥妥的体制问题。

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