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家园 您的论点,不是都在楼主贴里面写着么?

不就是智人在原始社会的性生活,更类似于现代的黑猩猩,而不是类似于倭黑猩猩么?现代的黑猩猩的性生活,是完全的以生殖为导向的。而倭黑猩猩的性生活,有着更多的社会调剂作用在里面。对吧?

您以为,所以当我们说“原始社会是群婚乱婚制”的时候,眼前不应该浮现出烟雾缭绕的群交party,而也许,允许我做一个比方,就像广阔天地里一群之间充满了同志情谊,生活匆忙的青年男女,他们之间可能会有那么几对私下里成了默认的伴侣,但生活的主题仍然是劳动,奋斗。

性活动是花时间、花力气的活动,是人只有吃饱喝足身体健康才会有念头来做的事情,对原始部落成员来讲,性是相当大的奢侈。

换言之,原始社会中,智人的性生活,基本上,如果不是全部上,是以生殖为导向的。这就是您的观点,对吧?

妖道的理解能力应该在普通人的水准,如果我错了,请明示。

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我说不对,原始社会中,智人的性生活,有享乐的成分在里面,有调和社会矛盾,维系社会关系的作用在里面。从这一点来看,原始社会中的人类,更像今天的倭黑猩猩。

证据如下:

人在性生活中,有享乐的成分。

Why is sex fun?: the evolution of human sexuality

JM Diamond 1997

人的第二性征,在性对象的选择中,具有重要地位。

by Randy Thornhilla and Steve W. Gangestad 1996

人类性交往的多样化,长期的如婚姻,短期性交往(如短暂的外遇)、婚姻外的性交往(如不忠)、私通他人配偶(引诱别人的配偶)以及配偶维持等。

David M. Buss 2007

调情的存在和社会学作用

M Daly, MI Wilson1999

考虑到以上的人类行为与bonobo社会性行为的相似性,我们推断,人类的祖先跟倭黑猩猩的祖先早已具有类似的行为方式,并在彼此的进化中保留了下来。

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人类的小家庭制?

请给出出处?

家园 不好意思,

您给的文章,看了,反而是没看出来人类的小家庭制在哪里来?

Polygyny may have reappeared to some extent with the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens 40,000 B.P., but perhaps not until 15,000–11,000 B.P. did disparity in resources controlled by males allow some males to exceed the polygyny threshold.

换言之,也就是一直到母系氏族时代中期,人类是群婚的。别的研究有认为群婚在3万年前逐步结束的,有人认为直到父系氏族出现才结束的。一个例证就是,群婚现象在我国春秋时期,依然有类似的习俗存在。

家园 有趣, 你定义的爱情和水风维持社会关系的性行为居然有分别

爱情当然不是追求性高潮也不是性饥渴. 但要完全独立成只有人类才有的社会行为, 比如脑部对特定异性对象的着瘾反应. 恐怕要把黑猩猩和倭黑猩猩绑到脑MRI扫描仪上, 然后让它们看同类异性的性感图片才能知道.雄黑猩猩对不在发情期的雌黑猩猩一般没有什么兴趣. 在发情期的还会出现雄黑猩猩排队等着交配而不是像别的动物先打一架的情景.

Mating occurs throughout the year and there is no evidence of a birth season, female chimpanzees do exhibit seasonality in the number of estrous females within a group (Wallis 1995; Boesch &Boesch-Achermann 2000; Wallis 2002). The number of estrous females is positively related to food abundance; because of the energetic requirements of ovulation and mating, female chimpanzees are more likely to come into estrus during times when food is readily available (Anderson et al. 2006). The majority of chimpanzee reproductive behavior is promiscuous, with females mating with multiple males opportunistically during estrus, though the majority of copulation occurs during the 10-day period of maximal tumescence (Goodall 1986). There are other types of reproductive strategies that are recognized as well. Restrictive mating, where the dominant male restricts other males from mating with estrous females in the community, consortship mating, where an adult pair leave the community for several days to weeks, and extra-group mating, where females leave their communities and mate furtively with males from nearby communities (Goodall 1986; Gagneux et al. 1999). Chimpanzee social and mating groups do not always overlap, given the variety of reproductive situations. This may have evolved because females have limited choice in mates after committing to a community, and the dominance hierarchy of males often dictates which males an estrous female will mate with. By having multiple strategies, females can expand the pool of males from which they choose while not losing the important support of the males in their communities (Gagneux et al. 1999). Having multiple strategies also maximizes the chances of males' reproductive success; they are able to vary, throughout their lives, their mating strategies with depending on their position in the dominance hierarchy.

其实你和水风也争不出什么来, 人就是人, 性行为更像倭黑猩猩还是更像别的什么没有什么绝对标准.本来就都是对环境的适应, 人不需要去适应倭黑猩猩和黑猩猩的环境. 倭黑猩猩对性的依赖其实是因为它们需要维持更大的群落成员数量造成的, 实际上已经进了进化的死胡同.

家园 爱斯基摩人那个据说也有补充维生素的原因

生着吃可以尽可能多的补充维生素,因为他们的植物性食品的摄入很困难,只能靠吃生食来补充一些必要的东东。

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