主题：中国正面临第三次鸦片战争的危机 -- 唵啊吽

我们已知鸦片在中英国内都有卖，也有瘾君子，在知识群体中也没有什么人认为吸食鸦片是跟马术一样的高尚运动。但是我们需要的知识是鸦片在英国没有像中国一样泛滥的原因，是入口管制还是其他原因。即使是进口管制，有利润一样会有大把的走私商往英国境内倒腾。这是对现实也有用的内容。每天骂一骂帝国主义固然很爽，但是不能从精神到肉体都武装起来的话，那只是一种txt而不是exe。

复敢问那个时候的英国人自己怎么不抽大烟白面呢？

家园

你这不是骂中国人吗？英国人不抽，中国人抽，

这好像也怪不了英国人了。有本事你不买它的不就没事了吗。

在中国，抽鸦片直到49年还是合法的吧。

复你这不是骂中国人吗？英国人不抽，中国人抽，

家园

从没听说过抽鸦片是合法的吧

民国时期就有好几次禁烟行动，只不过雷声大雨点小罢了。

复鸦片

家园

旧中国的腐败我和你观点一致

不过我的原帖是针对非药用鸦片贩卖是否全世界合法这个问题而言的。

复旧中国的腐败我和你观点一致

家园

合法与否

查了下，1878年英国立法是禁止中印鸦片成瘾者以外的人吸食，

外链出处

1878

Britain passes the Opium Act with hopes of reducing opium consumption. Under the new regulation, the selling of opium is restricted to registered Chinese opium smokers and Indian opium eaters while the Burmese are strictly prohibited from smoking opium.

1908年才最终禁止吸食用鸦片销售

外链出处

Opium Act, 1908

In the House of Commons on July 10, 1908, the Minister of Labour proposed the adoption of a motion prohibiting: “the importation, manufacture and sale of opium for other than medicinal purposes.”[1][24] The motion was adopted without debate. The Minister introduced Bill 205, An Act to prohibit the importation, manufacture and sale of opium for other than the medicinal purpose. (Opium Act, 1908).[2][25] The first section of the Act prohibited the importation of opium without authorization from the Minister of Customs. Additionally the drug could be used for medical purposes only. The manufacture, sale and possession for the purpose of selling crude opium or opium prepared for use by smokers was also prohibited. Whoever violated these provisions could be found guilty of a criminal offence punishable by a maximum prison term of three years and/or a minimum fine of $50 and not exceeding $1,000. Even though it prohibited the use of opium, the legislation was aimed at opium dealers, most of whom were Chinese, and not users. The bill was given Royal Assent on July 20, 1908.

American consumption of opium rose over four-fold from the 1840s to the 1890s, and the number of addicts peaked at 313,000 in 1896. In the United Kingdom, sales of patent medicines, most of them opium-based, increased almost seven-fold between 1850 and 1905. Significantly, the average consumption of opium per 1,000 population increased from 1.3 pounds in 1827 to over 10 pounds 50 years later.

1877年英国100人消耗10榜大概是4.5kg。此时还没立法限制。不过，至少1827年英国本土不会有多少吸食鸦片的中国苦力？

By 1906, China had 13.5 million addicts consuming some 39,000 tons of opium.

按照这个算，当时中国大概4亿人口，算下来大概是100人均1千公斤左右。人均10公斤。不过这里值得怀疑的是英国本土的鸦片消费是否是被中国苦力拖上去的。

1905

U.S. Congress bans opium.

1890

U.S. Congress, in its earliest law-enforcement legislation on narcotics, imposes a tax on opium and morphine.

Tabloids owned by William Randolph Hearst publish stories of white women being seduced by Chinese men and their opium to invoke fear of the 'Yellow Peril', disguised as an "anti-drug" campaign.

显然，至少在鸦片战争时代，鸦片在西方还不属于违禁品。

复拿出来会让人显眼,但不是我.人身攻击和别的资料来佐证都是

家园

那就把资料拿出来么？

用用百年前和百年后的数据相比较,真的无论从什么角度来讲,都有点太荒唐了

如果照你这么说，古人说的以史为鉴也是荒唐的东西。现代也就不用搞什么通史了。甚至历史学本身，也没有存在的意义了。

你还是把你的资料拿出来，光嘴硬没用，干货才重要。既然你的资料不会让你现眼，你有什么顾虑呢？

复关于非正常死亡

家园

一亿二千万鸦片上瘾者?

不知道addicts是如何定义的。一亿二千万鸦片上瘾者，占人口的三分之一，这个数据不大可信。估计是把所有抽过鸦片的人都算进去了。即使如此，恐怕也是严重高估了。

另外，很难相信那个时代有精确到千的人口数据。

复一亿二千万鸦片上瘾者?

家园

作者说数据来源于俄国百科全书

The Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (Russian: Энциклопедический словарь Брокгауза и Ефрона) (35 volumes, small; 86 volumes, large) is, in its scope and style, the Russian counterpart to the 1911 Britannica. It contains 121,240 articles, 7,800 images, and 235 maps. Published in Imperial Russia in 1890-1906, the comprehensive encyclopedia was a joint venture of Leipzig and St Petersburg publishers. The articles were written by first-rank Russian scholars of the day, including Dmitry Mendeleyev and Vladimir Solovyov. Reprints of this work appeared following the collapse of the Soviet Union.

是沙俄时代俄国一流学者编的百科全书。

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