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家园 你的思考题留给你思考吧,早就有答案了

病毒毒性较小的感染和接种疫苗是不是同样的道理?

蠢问题!

家园 自相矛盾

你这个小老百姓写这么多宏观的事情干嘛

家园 一行白鹭上西天

本来?张口就来啊。自己去搜搜鬼佬的疫苗接种。

资源的投放?这可真是屁事不干的人总会有的天才创想呢。精准的投放前提是更精细的管理。越精准,信息熵越大,自然越难做到。所以用来精准的社会资源你去给变出来?可惜鬼佬也做不出点啥来,基佬国放在奥运会开头的骄傲NHS,2022年2月急救等待时间是2019年31倍,多精准啊。人的想象力只在虚拟空间如此奔放,一旦遇到现实就只能31倍式的实操了。

再考虑考虑死亡率?流感死亡国家又不是没数据。大的数字8万。印度超额死亡400万以上。单纯从单位人口超额死亡人数来说美鬼比印度还多,原因也很简单,印度人口结构更年轻。还死亡率呢。死亡率有个感染基数。然后才能出来死亡率。玩弄数字以为别人不会玩吗?

宏观层面不是你这小老百姓操心?那国家说清零。你在那里妖言惑众干啥呢?我看你这不是着急操心的很吗?

还思考题呢。还是基佬国为例,2.7%的人后遗症。后遗症本身是个很有趣的话题,但是更明确的说,美鬼要求特种行业需要身体检查,不能有这样那样的后遗症。比如,货车司机这种职业。很好理解,开一半喘了,不行了,就是重大事故。飞机飞一半反应慢了,泄露气体闻不到,致命。

那么现在2年2.7%,10年呢?不可能?这话轮得到你们说吗?早有人号召躺平,不然能躺出来2.7%这现成的数据?如果这个数变成10%,慢慢积累,各种活干个屁?

啊对了,各种特殊职业特别容易遭重呢。护工,3%+,教师,3%。医疗系统的人,接近2.8%。是不是需要特殊津贴啊?医疗和教育是不是会变得更便宜呢?

面对病毒只有增强免疫力?哦哟。真是历史罕见的勇者啊。流感是有疫苗,好像不停的要换着打。效力回退厉害的很。埃博拉,增强免疫力?唉,不说这个好了,更常见点的把。艾滋病,增强免疫力?

你真的是能让人把牙都笑掉了。

通宝推:愣头兔,大胖子,菜根谭,
家园 今天看到鬼佬的新文章,转出来再讲讲现实

Long Covid: the invisible public health crisis fuelling labour shortages

这是FT的文章,4月10号。

While long Covid is taking a heavy toll on the individuals affected, it also represents a disaster in the making for businesses and economies — potentially pushing significant numbers of people out of labour markets where employers are already struggling to hire.

One in five patients hospitalised with Covid were still not working five months later, according to a UK study on the effects of the virus post-hospitalisation. A similar proportion had changed their job because of health issues.

Policymakers are starting to suspect the condition is a factor behind the labour shortages seen in the US and UK, where many older workers are looking to work fewer hours or have left the workforce completely. One study by the Brookings Institution in January speculated that long Covid could potentially account for upwards of 15 per cent of the 10.6mn unfilled jobs in the US.

Meanwhile, UK labour market data show a rise of some 200,000 since the start of the pandemic in the number of people who are not working or job-seeking because of long-term ill health; and a quarter of UK companies say long Covid is one of the main causes of long-term staff absence.

The UK also publishes an official monthly count of self-reported cases, in which an estimated 1.2mn people said in March they had persistent long Covid symptoms lasting at least 12 weeks, with women, people aged between 35 and 49, health workers and teachers most affected. A total of 784,000 said they had been suffering for at least a year, and 322,000 said it limited their day to day activities “a lot.”

“It doesn’t matter whether you drive the truck, you work the cash register at McDonald’s or you run a Fortune 500 company. You can’t go back to any of those jobs with cognitive dysfunction,” says Diana Berrent, founder of Survivor Corps, a long Covid support group in the US.

The condition is so new that employment law has yet to catch up with it: in many countries, governments and courts have not yet made clear to what extent it should be treated as a disability or an occupational disease. On April 5, the Biden administration said it would scale up national research on long Covid, and directed federal agencies to support sufferers as they seek treatment and attempt to return to work.

So far, the scale of the problem globally is unknown: very few countries collect data on the incidence of long Covid, and employers are not always aware of cases among their staff, who often struggle to get a diagnosis, or are reluctant to disclose their condition for fear it will affect their position.

But in some countries, labour market data give an idea of how long-term health issues grew during the pandemic. In the US, where long Covid can qualify as a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act, labour force data show the number of civilians with a disability who are working or seeking work grew by 1.36mn, a 23 per cent increase, between January 2021 and January 2022.

比较重点部分大概就如此。转机翻没啥意思,自己翻很懒。再说了,言必称“现实”的懂王们肯定比我更懂洋文啊。

而更需要注意的是,这文章的语境。现在的劳动力问题,不过是基佬国统计下2.7%的人得后遗症的产物。以后会怎样?FT没说,我也装作不知道,但是人类不能缺乏联想。

最后的补充:

鹦鹉们总是喜欢抄鬼佬的言论,用这些二手shit当作自己与众不同特立独行见解独到的证明。

然而最大的问题是,你们连有时效的抄都做不到,总是弄些按柏杨的话说——干屎橛——类型的东西出来念经。

我觉得你们需要提高姿势水平,不然就不配做舔鬼佬屁股的世界公民了

通宝推:侧翼,审度,武仙,
家园 是应声虫还是传声筒呢?
家园 你个又蠢又坏的货色,水平太次

懂个ball。免疫印记负面性,免疫原罪,决定了只要不打疫苗,自然被感染,那么遇到抗原特定距离的新病毒,基本就是死。

看到一群非蠢即坏的东西忽悠躺平放开,我总想起教员的话,河友们要多读点书,免得被垃圾文人骗了。

家园 请您务必继续保持自己的思维方式

并在以后的生活中执着地运用下去!

通宝推:冬晓,
家园 试点工作开始的太晚,也许是前两年形势太好,大意了

两年过去了,竟然没有考虑过在一个城市共存试点,也许有过但浅尝辄止,或许都怕担责。也许上海也是对自身的过度自信,总之上海这次运气不好。其实在之前,上海都是作为模范生在大家嘴中口口相传。

我觉得极端派还是少说几句,你们只是马后炮并不是先知。

家园 是必然的不是运气

看看北方的满洲里,南方的瑞丽。上海作为国内对外交流的窗口城市,受到奥密克戎的波及是不可避免的事。

病毒又不讲政治,欧美不谈,看看周边韩国和越南,上千万的感染人数;华人社会,从新加坡到香港再到上海,基本上是跟世界紧密相连的,这么高的传染性,病毒的推进路径一目了然。

家园 决策没有任何必然性

人的力量是非常渺小的

复杂问题的解决有无穷的变数

一个社会说要有必然的判断,那是天方夜谭。

重要的决策都是冒巨大风险

如果没有风险,都是必然,岂不是阿猫阿狗都可以当领导?

你坐到那个位置上才知道,要冒巨大不确定性,冒巨大风险,走错一步后果都是不堪设想。根本不存在什么必然。天下没那样的好事

家园 。。。

算了,自删了。

一些毫无意义的辩论。

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