主题：【一唵谈】适合国人的无神论的人本主义教会 -- 唵啊吽

我写了《同样是一文不名，华人移民与犹太人移民有天壤之别〉一文以后，许多人认同我关于以信仰为纽带对于建设华人社区的重要性。但是，由于中国人的文化习惯对宗教信仰概念有许多误解，很难接受西方的宗教和教会。

实际上，宗教与上帝没有必然联系。人本主义宗教是无神论宗教，是符合中国人文化的宗教。有志在华人社区建设教会的仁人志士，不妨创建人本主义教会。因为这样的无神论教会可以团结更多的华人。人本主义教会是在美国可以正式注册，人本主义是美国官方承认的宗教。

宗教信仰是不可证伪的，是不科学的。但是，这个不科学的事物对社区乃至社会建设至关重要。

不可证伪的东西很多，哲学就是其中之一。在某种意义上来说，献身某种哲学理念的社会实现，并身体力行日日检点就是宗教。如儒教和道教的修身养性。

人的生活可以分为两类：物质生活和精神生活。当人吃饱喝足后精神空虚时，一样无法感受生活的幸福。反之，当人还在为基本生存挣扎是，精神生活就失去了物质基础。所以说”衣食足而知荣辱”。所以有马斯洛的需求层次理论：生理需求在先，心理需求在后。没有信仰无法达到幸福人生，无论物质多么丰富。以今天世界物质丰富的程度足以使人类每个成员衣食无忧，但人类却在战争和恐怖中，在工作和生活压力下感受痛苦。

没有一个社会认同的道德观念和价值系统，光有法制也没有用。和谐社会建设不仅仅是法制建设，也是道德和价值体系的建设。而道德和价值体系的建设，必须依赖信仰。

但是，并不是一神教才能称为信仰。一神教信仰不可能建立全球化的价值体系，中东战火不断就是一个证明。伊拉克无法实现民主也是证明，伊拉克是有宗教信仰的国家，但无法实现民主。

实际上，认真看看旧约，就会发现基督教教义与今天自由和民主的道德观念想冲突，与人权道德观念相冲突，以为其教义是否定人的价值的。

合适中国人的信仰是人本主义（Humanism)信仰。人本主义也有宗教。这里是几个宗教人本主义的链接。

http://www.aeu.org/ericson2.html

http://www.lex-rex.com/humanism.html

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/1996/artapril96.htm

http://contenderministries.org/humanism.php

http://www.sofn.org.uk/Conferences/religious%20humanism.htm

人本主义信仰肯定人的价值。人有价值吗？这不可证明，也不可证伪，但信仰保障人的生存权利高于保障宠物狗的权利。没有对人的价值的肯定，当今“民主”“自由”“人权”“博爱”“宽容”等等道德观念都一钱不值。甚至“财富”概念也是空中楼阁。

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甲：Thanks for the email. I have been contemplating on establishing a church for a while. A church that is more positive thinking, not a superstitious one like everyone else.

Traditional churches, east and west, all have this notion of a supreme being above us, who controls the universe, who controls our fate, and we have to obey their "rules" in order to get rewarded after death. While it provides psychological comfort to people who do not want to take responsibility of this word, it can also easily be taken advantage of by intelligent but manipulative leaders to control the mass population for their own political agenda.

We know very well the notion of God was created by human beings. And "God's rules" are created by leaders in the name of God. The reason religion is so popular is the mental happiness it provides to lazy people who don't want to work hard but want a comfort life after death. The good side of religion is when people follow churches' rules - generally good - society becomes relatively stable.

However, in case churches' teachings are bad, devotees can reck havoc in this world. In today's world, we see wars, conflicts, terrorism, all stem from bad guidance from some religious groups.

I think it is possible to establish a religion that would be universal, that is scientific and not superstitious, that will unite everyone in the word together, all the time having the same notion of a God All Mighty and life after death.

Now, let me know if that fits your vision and if you are interested in forming a new religion together with me and other Chinese activists. We can start within the Chinese community, unite the Chinese in America first, get more group power, gain status such as Jewish people. I have been searching for people with same vision for a long time to start some organization for Chinese in America.

乙：You can start a Humanism church If you are in US. I once saw on the net that you can get a start kit and certified minister for humanism religion. It is government recognized religion without supernature.

See http://www.aeu.org/ericson2.html

However, not every contry qualify humanism as religion.

甲：Thanks for the link. I never heard of it before so it is an eye opener for me.

However, it is still under some organization. Basically when you establish a Humanism church you will be under their guidance. I was thinking of establishing something entirely new, different from Humanism church. It's more of a scientific and contemporary doctrine, and a more positive thinking one than Humanism church.

Do you have any idea on how to establish a church for Chinese in America? You are the one who wrote the article about how importan churches unite different goups in the U.S. to gain political power, right?

乙：Please do a "Religious humanism" search. If my memery serves me well, there should be a start kit and certification so that you can start your own independent Humanism Church immediately.

From my opinion, (see http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200604&postID=319 and http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200604&postID=206) Chinese up hold Humanism more ready than the west. Once you started, it will prevail, just like Budhism is up holded by Chinese.

Of course, you can start a 儒教 church, but it will not be universal. Believe me, if you started Humanism church within Chinese, it will grow faster and eventually will be a major religion of China.

Some useful links:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/startup.php

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/sellars.html

http://www.humanistministry.com/

http://www.humanistministry.com/HumanistOrdination.htm

http://www.humanistfellowship.org/

http://www.croftpress.com/david/religion/optihumanist/

There may be grants can be applied to start a Humanism group. http://www.humaniststudies.org/fund/index.html

Here is a link that you can become a Humanism Clergy http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/

甲: how did you find about Humanism religion?

乙 : http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200607&postID=11677

in 1987

http://www.corliss-lamont.org/philos8.htm

Corliss Lamont was a professor in Columbia University, Philosophy Depart.

I read the his "Philosophy of Humanism". They are struggling with west culture. But for Chinese, Its a nature religion.

I once try to talk a philosophy professor in NYU, and he said China has the Humanism philosophy for a long time.

so its much easy for Chinese to grow the humanism religion than by the west. However, the west has a rich literature in humanism, in the modern terms.

甲:

Lamont's article a little too long can you briefly summarize for me?

8 minutes

乙: It reviewed a lot of famous philosophise in history, and augured that moral and ethic judgement can be established without super nature God.

The west hate Chinese in part is because Chinese do not believe in God. And the think every one without God is evil.

The humanism, if you read Lamont, is not accepted in the west culture.

So don't be afraid of getting American establish your humanism church,

They will thank you for doing so.

And developed Humanism in Chinese community, even in China, has a very bright future.

All Lamont want to proof is that Human can have a good moral and ethic standard withou God.

甲: Lamont has the same vision I have

with a slight difference

I understand God is a creation of humans to make themselves feel comfortable

just like Santa Claus is created to fool kids, adults created God to fool themselves

but if people find the notion of God comforting, hey, I'll give you that

According to western religion, God has power to give life, to create universe. And there is an entity in the world capable of doing it: entire human race

according to western religion, there is life after death. well, there is life after death: our children carry our genes and our knowledge. our life continues in our children

乙: So don't be afraid of getting helps from American to establish your humanism church,

甲: that's a good idea. I'll get help from them to start, but I can inject my own notion

乙: Humanism is an exception of all western religion

They will well come Confuciouse and Daoism literature to enrich their humanism ideals.

welcom, I mean

甲: cool. hey I got to go to lunch now. I'll check back with you soon

乙: They know China has long history of humanism.

或许我们需要一个宗教。

自杀的原因并非都是贫困，更多是睚眦之怨，夫妻吵架，婆媳矛盾等，自从80年代后，我们哪里的农村，温饱问题基本上解决了。更多的是精神的贫乏，年复一年的繁重劳动，看不到改变的希望。

李大师的成功，不能说没有原因。D说的好，思想阵地，你不去占领，敌人就去占领了。

我本人虽然不信教，当年也非常反感宗教迷信，但是现在我觉得宗教确实能起到一些非常积极的作用，宗教所提倡的互爱互助确实能从一定程度上帮助精神方面遇到困难的人。因此FLG的成功不能说是没有原因的。

并非信奉超自然和造物主的才叫信仰，人本主义也是不可证伪的信仰。如信仰“人是生而平等的”无需借助造物主来表达。广义地说，有组织地将信仰贯彻到社会生活中就是宗教。这样定义未必准确，但概念是随社会发展的，宗教定义亦然。美国承认人本主义是宗教，但加拿大不承认。

我们之间许多人和你一样，不信造物主，但有认识到宗教对社会的好处。对我们这些人，人本主义宗教是最好的选择。

个人，总是脆弱的。

人本主义是一个选择，佛祖，穆罕默德，上帝，是另外一个选择。不是所有人都能有足够的力量面对一切的，这个时候，他需要有个依靠。

而是宗教组织.

此乃我党大忌

是否有了成型的组织才叫宗教?

我一直认为自己是有信仰的,但不是某种具体的宗教.

楼下说的农村自杀人多的事,我以前写过帖子(不是在这里)说到过,也觉得是因为传统中对人/生命的不重视.曾经跟我同桌一个月的一个女同学,仅仅因为父母不同意她跟人谈恋爱,就自杀了.另一个女同学的姐姐也因为类似事情自杀.还有无数相仿的事情,一点点小事就喝农药自杀,投水自杀...仿佛她们从小就没有受到过生命宝贵的教育,仿佛死亡与睡觉没什么不同,累了或者不想走了便就地躺倒...

我想,如果有一个关于救赎,关于希望的存在,甚至,只是关于恐惧的存在,或许她们就不会那么轻易去死了罢...

信仰,让人能够有所畏惧,有所期待...