主题：【原创】Ivy plus MIT, CalTech undergraduates -- 虎王2006

How many students does MIT accept each year?

General

First-year applications 20,075

First-year admits 1,457

Percentage admitted 7.3%

(keep in mind the admits number is not the same as enrollment, enrollment number is always smaller)

the total enrollment number of each school refers to all FOUR years (freshmen, sophomore, junior, senior), and assuming each year enrollment stays about the same, this number should be divided by 4 to show yearly number.

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in original post I have included Ivy schools and MIT, Caltech as our friend mentioned which schools to be counted. For some reason I added Stanford to this crowd, so my number 18415 should deduct 1749 to fit exactly.

The number under discussion is 16666.

four times of this number is 66660, that is very closer to our friend's number, but unfortunately, that is for all FOUR years' of undergraduate students of these schools. if our friend change the argument from

全美常青藤+MIT、caltech几个学校每年十几万招生,

to this

全美常青藤+MIT、caltech几个学校4年十几万招生, well it will get much closer,

or

全美常青藤+MIT、caltech几个学校4年6.8万招生, it will almost be correct.

每年 vs 4年

有官方来源的，藤校一年招生七万左右（没记错六万八），加上和藤校水平相当的几个学校，十来万大差不差。谁不信翻回去看链接。

the reliable number as the following:

California Institute of Technology total undergraduate enrollment of 938

Massachusetts Institute of Technology has a total undergraduate enrollment of 4,530,

Harvard University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 6,755,

Yale University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 6,092,

Princeton University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 5,422,

Stanford University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 6,996,

Columbia University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 6,245,

Dartmouth College is a private institution that was founded in 1769.

It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 4,459,

Brown University is a private institution that was founded in 1764.

It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 7,160,

Cornell University has a total undergraduate enrollment of 15,043,

University of Pennsylvania has a total undergraduate enrollment of 10,019

total enrollment means ALL four grades of undergraduates TOTAL enrollments.

Each grade is roughly 1/4 of this total number.

How many students does MIT accept each year?

First-year admits 1,457

the number enrolled is going to be smaller than 1457, which is definitely far from the TOTAL ENROLLMENT of 4,530

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i am very disappointed that even in this forum, many people are not able to understand a very simple number, after being shown positive evidence again and again. this is not rocket science, it's simple and straight numbers.

our esteemed friend not only failed to understand that his numbers are simply flawed, but double down on his misunderstanding, and further more, call it out 冷静一下，吵架输了不丢人，别为了赢不要基本逻辑了 -- well, i am waiting for a fair acknowledgement of what is correct and what is not correct.

It is not my intention to force anyone to admit they were wrong, but i do see some value in people seeing simple facts and honestly acknowledging it -- there are many occasions that your impressions of things are just not exactly right.

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The original argument is to debate whether students applying for top colleges in USA has a easy ride, with admissions and scholarships from top schools easily obtained.

From first hand experience and the grilling college application process that my child not so long ago experienced, I can responsibly say NO, IT IS NOT EASY. My familiarity with college admission and enrollment numbers are from this experience -- you need to know how big of a chance your kid could have, reaching his/her dream college, and adjust your applications accordingly.

Further more, overseas Chinese especially Chinese Americans are currently struggling particularly on education front -- our kids are positively discriminated against especially in college admission process. So please excuse my being a bit combative on this topic -- when you see people overlook/misunderstood some important simple numbers and make false assumptions.

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you might believe that your kid with a straight A record from the entire high school period, almost perfect GPA, full scores of SAT/ACT, could guarantee a placement in IVY? Not necessarily if you are ASIAN, even with this kind of pristine academic record you might be missing out even the "minor" IVY.

A few factors at play here: first of all the total opportunity is very limited as each of the top schools yearly admission/enrollment numbers are clearly much smaller than many of the friends here in mind. Secondly, a few of the categories are almost ear marked for interest groups that usually excludes our kids

-- Legacy admission

-- athletes

-- first generation/minority (yes, we Asians are not considered a minority that counts)

Only a very small portion of a small pie for you