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          • 家园 【时代杂志】

            没有找到好点的连接, 先找到的就几句话, 没劲, 不好拿来显臭.

            这里转个全部过程, 美国时代杂志亚洲版:

            Hainan―the Prequel

            This isn't the first time the island has been the center of conflict between the U.S. and China

            BY ANTHONY PAUL

            U.S. Air Force.

            A U.S. Navy amphibian heads towards a dinghy carrying survivors of the Chinese attack.

            Monday, Apr. 09, 2001

            In the summer of 1954, air-crew briefing rooms at Hong Kong's Kai Tak Airport were abuzz with reports of construction at an air base near Sanya, a town at the southern tip of China's Hainan island. To date, the runway had been all bitumen, a surface suited to propeller aircraft but given to melting if hit by jet exhausts. Suddenly, concrete sections appeared at each end. Pilots flying along aviation routes past Hainan could see new, jet-fighter-sized dispersal bays under construction. One Cathay Pacific Airways pilot suggested to a Hong Kong official that, in view of the apparent defense buildup, flight routes should be shifted farther from China's coast. Nothing was done.

            A couple of weeks later, Cathay Pacific had reason to regret the inaction. On July 23, one of its passenger aircraft, a DC-4 Skymaster en route from Bangkok to Hong Kong, became the centerpiece of a three-day imbroglio that U.S. Navy historians later labeled the Hainan Incident. The death toll was higher than last week's affair: four of the DC-4's 12 passengers and crew died. And the U.S. reaction was considerably less muted.

            That morning the Cathay airliner was at 2,700 m in clear sky, some 30 km off Hainan's east coast. At about 8:40 a.m., two Chinese fighters suddenly appeared. The aircraft were later identified as Lavochkin LA-7s, Soviet-built prop-driven fighters. For no apparent reason, the planes opened machine-gun and cannon fire. The DC-4's captain Philip Blown tried evasive action, hurling the DC-4 into a steep dive. But the airliner kept taking hits. Syd's Pirates: A Story of an Airline (Durnmount, 1983), by retired Cathay senior captain Charles "Chic" Eather, documents the attack. Eather, now 81 and living on Australia's Gold Coast, recalls that despite Blown's outstanding airmanship, there was no way to evade the Chinese attackers.

            Machine-gun fire raked down the passenger aisle and into the cockpit, wrecking part of the instrument panel. Bullets tore into the back of the plane's engineer as he tried to help the two pilots get the shuddering plane under control; he died on the spot. Another blast killed a stewardess. Barely two minutes after the attack began, Blown wrestled the burning DC-4 onto the ocean surface. Miraculously, a dinghy appeared among the debris. Nine survivors struggled aboard. As rescue planes alerted by Blown's Mayday message began gathering, the Chinese government warned colonial Hong Kong's British administration that no military aircraft were to approach the accident scene. The message was acknowledged but ignored. That afternoon a U.S. Navy Albatross amphibian from Clark Field in the Philippines landed beside the raft and flew the survivors to Hong Kong.

            Visibly angered by the Chinese attack on an unarmed civilian airliner, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Felix Stump, told a news conference he had instructed his search mission to be quick on the trigger. Three days after the DC-4 downing, U.S. Skyraiders patrolling near Hainan shot out of the sky two LA-7s that showed signs of hostile behavior. Radio Beijing announced that two American fighters had made piratical attacks on two Polish merchant ships and one Chinese escort vessel, but failed to mention the LA-7s.

            And one other Chinese puzzle: Beijing never apologized, never explained. Nevertheless, the airline sent the Chinese government a bill for 251,400. Thirteen months after the incident, Beijing paid it in full.

            • 家园 有趣,这背后肯定有许多故事..

              但是楼主的故事还是完全不可以相信。

              • 家园 这次跟你感觉一样。

                楼主贴里的许多东西不知来源何处:

                。是误判为敌机?还是象苏联击落韩国航空一样,事件出来时说是误判,实际可能是一起间谍行动?从香港政府不听飞行员忠告改变航线看有这么一点可能。

                。航空知识有限,不知cathy如何断定攻击者为中国飞机,在天空中的能见度与不成比例的速度差都让我怀疑。20分钟与一秒钟没那么大区别吧,反正打捞出来一查也就知道是谁的飞机了,雷达也应该能证实。

                。最后那段说中国飞行员负着必死的任务让人觉得啼笑皆非,不知是否时代不同想法不同。如果中国为了息事宁人应该飞一架军用运输机之类的让美军打下来,飞行员也可以在受攻击时早早跳伞逃命。美国飞机没理由射击跳了伞的飞行员的,那样违反国际条约,对他们也没什么好处。

    • 家园 这是真的

      不过时间不对, 而是夏天. 1954年7月23日击落国泰航空公司的DC-4客机. 而在7月26日美国海军Douglas A-1 Skyraider在同一区域击落2架中国战斗机, Douglas Skyraider也是螺旋桨战斗机, 而不是F86, 为什么说F86就不知道了.

      点看全图

      外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

      航母上的 A-1H

      过去事情讲的有4点不对的是,

      1,机上的人没有全死, 死了10个, 还有8个人拣了命回来;

      2,我方攻击的也是拉-9(另一说是拉-7), 不是米格-15;

      3,时间是夏天,7月23日.

      4,不是是8对2的群殴,而是3:2, 2架Skyraiders和1架 Corsair

      1955年底赔款 $251,400美元给国泰航空

      也是凌水机场出发的拉-9/7

      • 家园 还有

        News of the vicious attack spread to Westminster to Washington D.C. The United States denounced the "brutal" attack and almost at once on July 26,1954,two American Skyraiders and a Corsair from the Aircraft carriers Philippine Sea and Hornet,part of task force 70 shot down two Chinese fighters off the China coast ,Admiral Stump, the Commander-in Chief of the US Pacific Fleet having warned everybody that the crews of his ships and aircraft had orders to be "quick on the trigger" if rescue efforts were hampered in anyway. In London,Mr Anthony Eden told the House of Commons, of the "brutal" and "savage" attack. Opposition Leader, Mr Clement Attlee, who was embarrassingly was to visit China the following month, repeated that it was "absolutely inexcusable". However ,the heat was taken off the situation somewhat by prompt expressions of regret from Peking's Chang Han-fun,vice minister of foreign affairs, to the British Charge d'Affaires Humphery Trevelyan after Trevelyan had sent a strong letter of protest

        • 还有
          家园 还有

          说是群殴

          22 July 1954 A Cathay Pacific Airlines DC-4 on a flight from Bangkok Thailand to Hong Kong, was shot down by Chinese La-9 fighters near Hainan island, China. Of the 18 people on board (including 6 Americans), 10 were killed and 8 survived.

          26 July 1954 Two US Navy AD-4 Skyraiders from VF-54, piloted by William Alexander and John Zarious,were launched from the USS Phillipine Sea (CVA 47) to look for survivors from the Cathay Pacific DC-4 shot down four days previously. They were attacked by two Chinese La-7s. A number of other VF-54 AD-4s and a F4U-5N of VC-3 came to the aid of the USN aircraft. One La-7 was shot down by AD-4 pilots Roy Tatham and Richard Cooks. The other LA-7 was shot down by AD-4 pilots John Damien, John Rochford, Paul Wahlstrom and Richard Ribble and the F4U-5N pilot Edgar Salsig. A Chinese gunboat also fired upon the US aircraft, but no damage was sustained.

      • 家园 抱歉

        过去事情讲的还有二点不对的是,

        1,机上的人没有全死, 死了4个, 还有8个人拣了命回来;

        2,我方攻击的也是拉-9(另一说是拉-7), 不是米格-15;

        3,时间是夏天.

        也是凌水机场出发的拉-9/7

      • 家园 大硷元?

        【大硷元4月9日??】美??海??EP-3型?刹旎?于4月1日上午,与中??空????8型?鸲坊?在海南?u?|南面南中??海上空办生“擦撞”,造成中???鸹?一架??海,那架受??美机立即直晔海南?u陵水基地降落,一?r好像要掀起?鹪啤?

        事隔?等眨?中美腽方?κ虑榘l展大致上已弈入外交活?油??剑??夯?的可能性也杂不大。

        但是?我阅现???海??伏复塍??兹的南沙主?嘀???,??肴航道保持???车???铨看,任何?r刻?s可能有?∽?出?F。

        南中??海上空中美腽方出事,呃回??算是第二次。

        俭50 年前,1954年7月23日上午10?r左右,一架香港注?缘???泰航空(CPA)“空中霸王”型客机由新加坡起秣??曼谷秣香港,在海南?u以南空中走廊10里上空遭到?娜???基地起秣的三架(一真?杉埽┲???米格15型?鸹?如??雨般的?A攻射?簟S⒓?机樘撅急办出求救信??后降落海面,事件造成3名乘客(包括一名香港空服?T)死亡,其余十多名(3名新加坡乘客)分?e?橛⒚揽哲?救起,送往菲律馘美??基地和香港狒院。

        ???r台?澈??{密布?鹪?

        中??空?????r?槭裁匆??袈湟患苊窈娇突??半世硷以后的今天,依然是一??珠。

        ???r眍????停火,台?澈??{密布?鹪疲?而在印支半?u,胡志明在奠??府把法??打?。?腠已??署了日?韧??f定,?⒃侥戏指??槎?,美??要在印支取代法??的地位,但??地情?菀廊徊环?。此?r,海南?u的?鹇缘匚伙@得复塍微妙,整??南海地?^卉罩胝?浩?氛,呃恐怕不是今天的我??能?蝮w??到的。

        南中??海面和上空的航道一直就?]有受到任何??肴的干?_,可是?槭裁催@一天,一??非常晴朗的早上,中???s??向一架民用客机?A攻檫火,把它逼降于惊????浪的海面?美??聆菲律馘克拉克基地的第13航空大??于接到空膣求救????之后,立即派出各型秣机赶往肇事海面?I救,并?⒏浇?上空巡??的中???鸹?赶走。

        不?H如此,攘盛钅撅急公布,派出聆太平洋?^的第七及第一????的?伤液娇漳概??S蜂??和菲律馘??,以及?邓因?逐??火速檫往南中??海,南海于是升起了?鹪啤S氘??r情?r比蒉,日前美??派出三艘??逐??到南中??的情?r,??是蒺松得多。

        意滓形?B的尖涫?α?

        事隔50年,我以??年?⒂氩稍L?艋?事件?r保留的儋料?砘仡????r的情?r,迂得在危急?r期,腽方?χ乓庾R,加上情诀撅??,失控,擦??走火等危胝事情,往往由于锗判而办生。

        ??年?艋?事件出于中??自费的“锗??”,和海南?u附近海面的??事???B,以及中??或海南?u??方?μ??澈??{相晷??铨的锗判,都可能是?艋?事件的原因。

        另一真是指中????年曾?@得情?螅?真有?得?美??重要人物曾自曼谷登上那架客机,是?袈淠??说闹饕颍?腠然暗?⑹钱??r斗??手段之一,但此真仍太咿????,但也反映出???r意滓形?B的尖涫?α?。

        ??年客机遭?袈??r,出事周?????r是:

        一、北京??台于7月25日,也是事件办生后第二天?V播真:在中??大??及各占钌?u?Z,沿海?u?Z,仍有?鹗鲁掷m。台?晨哲?已?U大活?臃???,不?r威名占钌下的大??沿海及海?u。

        ??台?V播???r的外交次樘章?h夫致斤英??政府抗阻的复函真:“中??空????‘空中霸王’(??泰客机)锗帐?樘??车霓Z炸机,是准?淝??砗D??u榆林港??事基地挹炸。

        “因?楫??r我方(中??空??)正在海南?u上空?绦醒策?任?眨?锗帐了‘空中霸王’客机是台?车目哲?”。北京??台重复“目前沿海仍有?鹗隆薄5??κ录?表示啁憾及答??衮??。(剐者注:“空中霸王”客机外形与美制B25空中堡?就庑晤?似,台?晨哲??碛写祟?挹炸机,但??机志有台????????徽,不易锗帐,除非???r机?T素冱?毫樱?情诀撅??而出事)。

        趟????艇海面浮?F

        二、客机被?袈??r,海南?u附近有趟????水艇浮?F于海面。

        三、??离檫新加坡的?伤姨K??油船列宁格勒??及褚可夫??,(各蒌有1万1500吨石油,源自于黑海)已停泊在海南?u的榆林港,??地已咄入森?赖慕??????B。

        四、一艘趟??油船陶普斯??,不久前??咿南中??海咄入台?澈??{?r被台?澈\?拘拿,趟??曾恫言要?蟾础R虼耍?一般的愚察是趟??要中??????咿海南?u附近钌空及钌海的非共?a??家的船只及秣机斤于“干?_”。

        五、越南????分割?槎?,提高了海南?u在?|南??的?鹇缘匚唬?海南?u与北越?|京?澈7篱g的敏感性加重。以反共?槟??耍?英、美、法??等,正彡??酵???|南??八??公俭机构(SEATO)。

        六、???艋?事件,英美情?蠓矫媾??啵?海南?u上至少已建立了一??????的米格机?鸲坊?地。此型?鸲坊?办?]的?鹆υ陧n?鸪跗谠?使????吃惊。

        七、?艋?事件办生后第二天,英美空??佩行一呗三天的第五次美??“空中堡?尽毖萘?,以美聆菲第13航空大??空演“咄攻”新加坡,由英聆哞?|空???鸹?起秣迎?簟4隧?演??在?r殓上与南中??海上锾云是??“巧合”。

        ??在最前??,奉命玩????????游?虻哪贻p而?]????的新兵的情诀失控,容易?a生锗判,加上???σ庾R高昂,擦??走火都在瞬息之殓,往往??在呃种情形下晔出大??。????并?o??律,只有代价!

        (弈自<<??合早?缶>)

        4/9/2001 2:03:00 AM

        • 家园 :)

          In July 1954 a Cathay Pacific DC-4 was shot down by Chinese La-9 fighters near Hainan. Of those aboard, 10 were killed, and 8 survived.

          大纪元的东东多半不可信, 因为和轮子沾边.

    • 家园 不奇怪,还有向一个友好国家的元首座机开炮的高射炮兵呢!

      具体那个国家忘了,好像是柬埔寨,或者是某个非洲国家.

    • 家园 不会吧。飞行员再没经验,民航机和战斗机还是能分清的吧。。
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