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        • 家园 大哥,几个链接贴出来给咱瞧瞧 好吗?
          • 家园 链接就不贴了,原文可以贴一下

            不希望有人看了我的发泄帖追过去,犯不上。

            不过原文可以贴一下。有谁需要验证我提到这几个的真实性的话咱们站内信吧。

            说中国人“bigot and raicist”的

            (作者id隐去)99 points 2 years ago*

            My wife is Chinese and I'm in a math department. So I'm around actual Chinese citizens alot.

            Few things to keep in mind. First generation Chinese community is an insular one. If you don't talk with Canadians you are not going to be loved. If you don't make honest attempts to speak English you are not going to be loved. So that means if you've been here 20 years and you can barely speak it you are an asshole and aren't going to be liked. If I went to China to live I wouldn't just associate with English speakers.

            To address your comments...

            Chinese people are terrible drivers

            Chinese (from China) ARE horrible drivers!!! It's quite understandable because they generally don't follow the rules of the road and are often first or second generation drivers. It's a recipe for disaster. Of my Chinese friends born and raised here there is no issue because they could always learn from people who knew how to drive.

            Chinese people are taking over Toronto

            That's subjective with a bit of truth to it. Chinese are a large proportion of the population relative to other minorities. Also unfortunately Chinese Torontonians seem to follow a different set of laws. China town and P-Mall sells bootlegs but if any other ethnicity blatantly does this they will be busted. China town is dirty as hell as well what's up with that? Also the vendors on the street often park themselves on the sidewalk at the insersection WTF? Why are these things not enforced? These BS things give the impression that Chinese are taking over.

            How do Chinese people even see with those tiny squinty eyes?

            My chinese wife has big eyes (for a Chinese person). One of her friends from university had eyes so narrow it looked like she was permanently squinting. I think for some people it's a valid question. White people will stop this joke when both stereotypes of white people can't dance or jump stop.

            Oh and

            But in the last 4 or 5 years, it seems like I am constantly hearing comments such as

            They've always been there... you've just started to pay attention.

            Anyways lets face it Chinese people on average are some of the most racist and bigoted people in the world. I bet you that you could tell us stories of how your parents or their friends call white people lazy, or how black people are dirty... and we won't even get started on the Japanese.

            edit oh and one more thing. Chinese restaurants. Almost always dirty and don't follow health codes. Why aren't they routinely shut down?

            中国人和美国人观点不一样,美国人认为是censorship的(文中him指tankman)

            (作者id隐去)46 points 25 days ago

            I thought I heard that almost nobody in China even knows about him, because of censorship. Is that true?

            这种已经变成主流意见,见惯不怪了。再举一个

            (作者id隐去)49 points 25 days ago

            I have been to China - it is true. Not only did next to no one know who he was, many had NO IDEA WHAT HAD OCCURRED in Tiananmen Square. I spent over a year in Beijing and six months in Shanghai. Some people, when confronted and told about the massacre, dismissed it as American propoganda.

            这个比前面几个强些,认为中国人知道“但是因为害怕政府”不说的。

            (作者id隐去)50 points 25 days ago

            i was watching a documentary on the tankman/tianenmen square and it's scary how afraid the chinese are of their government. china's censored all mentionings of the incident although some people know about it and keep quiet so that they won't be hauled off to god knows where by the government. 5 chinese university students were interviewed about the tankman and were shown the tankman picture and all of but one of them had no idea what the picture meant, where it was taken and what was going on except for one of them who was too scared to admit he knew but the microphones caught him whispering to the girl next to him '1989'.

            “天下乌鸦一般黑”马上遭到反驳的一个例子。注意第二个帖子和最后一个帖子。第二个是反驳“天下乌鸦一般黑”的,最后一个是反驳第二个的。第二个得了23个upvote,最后一个得了13个downvote。

            (作者id隐去)2 points 25 days ago

            I find it very interesting that this comes out on a day when the Chinese president essentially said that their only hope in the future is to disarm America through mutual beneficial economic alignment. Its almost like this is supposed to make us fear China, when they are really trying to reach out and make peace with us and get rid of the old militaristic mentalities. (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NE09Ad01.html)

            After all, our military shot a bunch of unarmed college students at around the same time. We've also, aside from the many mistreatments of our own citizens, gone into other countries uninvited and destroyed, maimed and tortured sovereign citizens. I mean, we're way worse then China on an international scale.

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            [–](作者id隐去) 23 points 25 days ago

            I assume you're talking about Kent state.

            That was almost two decades before The 1989 protests.

            Second the Kent State shootings were probably an accident or at worst carried out by someone low on the totem poll, not the same as driving army tanks through a public square to disperse protest

            Third, and most important the Tiananmen Square protest are largely censored in China, like totally censored. You can find out about most lapses in ethics by the US government in history books.

            The chinese government has tight controls on the media inside their country, in the US you can publish whatever you want. You may believe "we're way worse than china" because simply things are harder to cover up within the United States.

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            [–](作者id隐去) 3 points 25 days ago

            It's true about censoring the Tiananmen Square, when I was there a member of my tour group was approached by someone and asked if it had really happened. They were assured that there was very famous footage of the bravery displayed there.

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            [–](作者id隐去) 0 points 25 days ago

            Driving a tank isn't further up the totem pole than being a grunt, it's just a different MOS.

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            [–](作者id隐去) -13 points 25 days ago*

            Well, we're talking about something that was over 20 years ago, so I figured 20 years before that was still in the same time frame of history. Since we're talking about it.

            And Kent state, seems worse in my mind aside from the censorship. But its not like we dont have our own version of media control and manipulation in America. And then of course the 'way worse' is easy to compare in wars of agression over the last 30-40 years.

            Sure we have some freedoms (for now), but we are still tyrants on a global scale.

            EDIT: And by Kent state being worse in my mind - I mean the student in China were giving MANY warning and requests to clear out. They KNEW what they were getting in to. They KNEW the consequences of their actions and voted, yes voted, to do it anyways. I honor that and feel it was brave and important. By comparison the Kent state students did not expect to be fired on that day. Nor did the many civil rights protestors that had faced similar. Neither did the OWS protestors who have been hospitalized and jailed. We have these laws, and then we ignore them at a whim. (source on warnings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_massacre)

            抱歉那个去天安门广场的帖子找不到了。如果碰到的话我再发上来吧。

            • 家园 raddit上非native english的各种还是很

              多的

              • 家园 这个解释我也想过

                譬如说之前有个问共产党国家生活的串。里面出来说共产党不好的基本两类,一类是东欧波兰罗马尼亚保加利亚等国,一类就是明显意识形态反共,言必称古拉格的。后一种可能是前共产党国家反共人士(咱就不称“分子”了,显得中立一点)。

                但是目前为止我还没见过有人提出中国人对中国事可能比外国人知道得多的,除了少数明显站在国人立场上的回帖。除去我把洋五毛误当成国人的可能性(老实说,就我的感觉洋五毛在西方是相当孤立的)之外,其他情况下只能认为reddit公众就没觉得中国人对中国事可能比外国人知道得多。

                我不把所有反华言论都归为各国反共人士的另一个原因是,容许和支持本身就代表一种立场。譬如说我遇到过这么一个日本人,他的论点是右翼是极少数,你不应该因为“极少数右翼”的存在就说“日本人”的坏话。那么我的观点就是在中立场合,你承认日本历史上有侵略事实现实中有人否认这个事实,但是我作为中国人指出后一点以后你不先承认我有权反感反而批评我反感右翼不对,这个行为本身就证明你在感情上更喜欢右翼了。reddit也同理。即便你自己不是反共立场,你在反共人士和中国人之间的选择就表明你感情上倾向于哪一边。

        • 家园 他们这种自以为是

          有时候对我们未必是坏事。

          ZXB委曲了哈。

        • 家园 外国发生的必是个人问题,中国的必是体制问题

          中国的一些记者、公知们也是这种心理

      • 家园 在白人国家, 这是典型的种族歧视. 虽然白人内心可能

        歧视更甚

        首要目标反而不是白人,而是非法滞留中国的棒子和来非洲的黑人。

        非法滞留中国的不仅有棒子和来非洲的黑人,更多的是白人,特别是白垃圾, 没什么能力的,就去什么私立幼儿园或中小学,美其名曰外教. 教的中国孩子以为说一口痞子口音的英文加混乱的性关系,就是时尚先进.

        如果黑白都是垃圾的话,一般来说白垃圾 比黑垃圾更烂.

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