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  • 家园 【整理】帝国一夜崩塌?

    美国媒体本月24日报道,美国第一大城市纽约市启动2020美国大选提前投票,之所以要提前开始投票,主要是为了避免大家都集中在11月3日投票,尽量不让美国人大规模聚集,防止疫情因为投票而再次恶化。

    让人不出所料的是,投票开启后,纽约很快就陷入到了混乱当中,爆发了一连串的交火事件,共造成11人伤亡。多名目击者都告诉记者,感觉自己生活在阿富汗。

    这正是之前美国人担心的事情,大部分美国人都意识到,今年的大选会陷入到混乱当中,甚至会在选举结束后爆发内战,因为不管是特朗普还是拜登,都不会承认在大选中失败。很多美国人已经开始囤积物资,准备在大选之后窝在家里,等到局势稳定了再出门。但从当前的形势看来,只是开始投票就乱了,这种混乱恐怕一时半会都过不去。

    目前,美国民间已经自发组成了大量武装力量,可以分两派,一派支持特朗普,一派支持拜登。支持特朗普的以白人为主,支持拜登的则是以黑命贵的核心力量为主,基本都是黑人。拜登这边的支持者相对来说还是比较克制的,没怎么整活,大多数时间都是和平抗议。

    特朗普的支持者就不一样了,之前就绑架过州长,还占领过州议会大厦,成天扛着枪到处跑,并且不断强调,"只接受特朗普胜选这一种结果"。此外,很多特朗普支持者还扛着枪前往投票站,美其名曰保护投票者的安全,实际上则是在威胁投票者。

    在这样的背景下进行投票,投票者的人身安全都是问题,更别提大选结果出来之后了,这些只接受特朗普当选的武装分子,必然会做出过激举动,到时候可就不是单纯的混乱了。

    仅从当前的情况来看,特朗普想通过正常投票的途径战胜拜登的可能性不太大。特朗普连任的机会主要是在落选之后,那个时候,他还是总统,可以利用总统的权力来改变大选的结果,比如特朗普死咬着邮寄投票就是作弊不放,然后闹到联邦法院裁决,由于保守派占多数席位,可以直接把总统判给特朗普。

    当然,民主党也不傻,民主党这边都是妖怪级别的人物,比特朗普这个商人的斗争经验要丰富得多,不可能任人宰割——让特朗普通过合法途径去改变大选的结果。

    因此,铤而走险、干一票大的就成为了特朗普的唯一选项,特朗普虽然控制不了军队,但一直掌控着警察,大部分警察都是支持特朗普的。当特朗普的总统身份还没有过期,美军无法介入的情况下,警察和特朗普支持者组成的武装力量,基本无人能挡。

    当然,也存在特朗普和平离开白宫的可能性,特朗普也不是非当总统不可,只是这几年犯的罪太多,如果能赦免他,承诺不会算旧账,特朗普让位也就让了,毕竟家大业大,不当总统也能活得很滋润。

    • 家园 美华川粉自保。

      美华拖家带口挺川集会上,被骂滚回中国。

      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158771100472974&id=826007973&sfnsn=mo&from=timeline

      • 家园 独轮运和老乐这种的,应该得到这样的待遇。但我们也不要垃圾
      • 家园 纽约Great Neck发生的事情

        在那里住的“高等华人”一堆一堆的 -- 那个镇恰好在纽约市边界外,不用交纽约市的市税,坐火车去纽约不到半小时,是非纽约市管辖去曼哈顿最快的镇,学区还特别好,而且离法拉盛只有十分钟,所以特别适合那些在曼哈顿工作收入不菲却仍无力送孩子上私立的高级华人白领们。在这么个多元化的社区里白人都如此歧视黄人,可以想见美国别的地方是啥鸟样。。。

        • 家园 北纬老兄, 你对纽约实在是不了解

          我在大颈住过7年多,这个我有一点发言权。

          大颈范围不大,由于地理原因, 是一个相对封闭的社区(只有两条主要交通要道和外部连接), 主体居民一直是犹太裔,在世纪交替前, 罕见其他族裔的常住人口。 近年来倒是不断有亚洲人不断移入(有一次我老婆还说在楼下超市撞见刘欢带着女儿在买菜)。 但是我08年前后就离开大颈了,现在不知道情况怎样,听说中国人越来越多。

          从移民的眼光看,犹太人也是白人。但是在美国生活过十年以上的人都明白其中的差别。

          这个视频拍得很模糊,也不知道谁喊了一声不知道是什么, 只听到China...XXX..., 语气听不出是恶意还是玩笑。

          我不喜欢大颈, 这里的人市侩又势利, 从进电梯打招呼hello那一刻你就能够感觉那个虚伪的微笑背后功利的审视,十足的“美犹”格调。 但是要这些“装在套子里的人”公然在大街上表达一下政治不正确, 那你就太不了解这些“美犹”们, 也太不了解大颈这个地方了。

          依我看, 如果这句不知所云的喊叫, 真的是句“辱华”口号, 说明大颈大概真的是一定程度进化到“多元社区了”, 因为这说明除了犹太人和中国人, 街上还真的有能形成气候的其他族裔了。

          • 家园 你没听清,这位博主写的英文能看懂?

            chink 听清楚了?还有这样自慰的。

            Racial slurs (chink)

            SEPTEMBER 1, 2011 BY NORTHWEST ASIAN WEEKLY

            https://i2.wp.com/nwasianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/30_36/karen.JPGBy Karen Liang

            SYLP student

            Words can be extremely powerful, and when they are used negatively, they can be harmful. There are many offensive words out there these days, but one racial slur that has been with me for a while is the word chink.

            The word chink can be used to offend someone. You could say, “You are a chink,” which is basically saying that you have very small eyes. Another expression is “Open your eyes, you chink.”

            You can also use the word as an adjective, like, “You are very chinky.”

            Many people say the word chink originated from the Chinese courtesy ching ching, and also the word China. Other people say it came from the word Qing, as in the Qing dynasty. Qing is pronounced “ching,” so that’s why it’s a possibility.

            In the early 20th century, Chinese immigration was perceived as a threat to the living standards of whites in North America.

            They saw the Chinese as invasive, and the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed. The law banned Chinese immigration into the United States.

            However, after some time, there was a labor shortage on the West Coast, and that allowed for the Chinese to immigrate into the United States again. The Alaskan fish canneries did not have enough labor, and Congress amended the Exclusion Act. Chinese butcher crews were held in such high esteem that when Edmund A. Smith patented his mechanized fish-butchering machine in 1905, he named it the iron chink.

            Some thought of it as a symbol of the anti-Chinese racism of that era. Though chink originally referred to those of Chinese descent, it has expanded to include others from East Asia.

            Being an immigrant from China, I was always around the word chink when I moved here. When I first came here, I first lived in Maryland, which is populated mostly by whites. There were some Blacks, but there were barely any Asians. When I went to school, I was one of nine Asian kids. It was difficult for me because I could barely speak English.

            I remember kids teasing me, just pointing and laughing at me, and I didn’t know why. I couldn’t understand what they were saying.

            One time, some kids just decided to come up to me and pulled their eyes apart to make them squintier. They started singing, “Me Chinese, me Chinese,” and after that, I realized they were making fun of my eyes. I went home that day and cried. I specifically remember asking my parents if there was something wrong with me. It made me feel bad about my body, and it made me feel worse that there was nothing I could do to change it.

            I was born this way. I was made fun of because of my eyes, something I can do nothing about.

            The next day, one of the kids decided to yell out, in front of the class, really loudly, “Karen is a chink,” and then everyone in the class started to laugh. I was so confused. I remember trying to figure out the meaning of the word and when I did, I was very hurt. I was shocked that they had a word for it. This happened two years ago, and I was made fun of in Maryland until I moved to Washington state.

            When I moved to Seattle, there were more Asians and I felt more comfortable, more accepted. When I moved here, I hoped that no one would make fun of my eyes and call me chinky.

            It went well for a while, but things changed when I reached middle school. One day, in the hallway, I heard someone behind me say, “Hey chink, what’s up?” I quickly looked behind me and saw two Asian boys greeting each other.

            That was when I realized that the word chink is similar to [the n-word]. They are both racial slurs, and are both very offensive, but people choose to use them without thinking about the harm that comes with them. I am still called a chink sometimes, and it’s still very hurtful.

            Racial slurs have impacted me. We need to learn to accept each other and not harm each other with words because they can cut emotionally. ♦

            Editor’s note: Northwest Asian Weekly was unable to verify all the facts stated in this article. The ideas here do not necessarily represent our stance.

            • 家园 大拿老弟大概比较年轻

              但是你的帖子我都挺喜欢看,属于有观察有内容的文章,本人也应该也是个讲得通道理的人,看你这么义愤填膺的声讨, 我就回一个吧。

              首先,你这个链接是无效的,所以早不到原文。如果你下面引用的就是全文, 那么我不知道这篇文章和那个视频之间的逻辑关系在哪里。 我又去重新看了一下楼上的视频,还是没有听到“chink”这个字眼。我能听清的内容:“Ok every body...China...they can get back to China...”, 其他声音混杂而模糊, 如果你听清了, 请转述一下, 我们再来讨论。

              撇开这个视频不说, 局限讨论一下你引的文章内容。“chink”肯定是一个带有种族歧视的字样, 这个和“redneck”或“nigger”是一样的。 作为一个中国人,我们听着觉得不舒服, 我当然是理解的。美国是个多民族社会,但是彼此隔阂的并不仅仅是种族和肤色,甚至大部分时候都不是,而是彼此的行文习惯、文化和价值观。

              一个人在社会里生活,总有讨人嫌的时候, 也总有别人讨你嫌的时候, 那你没骂过别人。 那骂人还能挑好听的?诚实的说, 我没被人少骂过, 也没少骂过人, 你觉得那些歧视性的词儿, 我大概都是用过的。 有时候骂完了, 静下来想想, 自己也有不对,反而是自己不好意思。那是不是每每都应该升级到“种族歧视”这个高度,我认为不仅不必要,也不会有任何正面意义。

              我们上海人, 骂人有个口头禅,叫做“乡下人”。 是歧视农民吗? 不是的,被骂“乡下人”, 是因为其行为不按常规,破坏了上海社会大家约定俗成的行为准则,被人口头“取消”了做上海人的资格而已。如果你坚持认为自己没错, 那我行我素就好了, 何必在意。

              扯远了, 转回来。 美国是有“仇恨罪”的, 如果有人确实因为种族原因,侵犯了你的合法权益, 造成实质损害, 你是可以刑事追诉的。 但是街头巷尾一个不忿爆句“种族粗口”,值得在论坛上以头抢地檄文骂战吗?

          • 家园 中国脖子最粗的人

            出现在了地名为“大脖子”的地方

          • 家园 近年来Great Neck严重亚洲化 -- 有补充

            去年在Great Neck,Manhasette,Herricks一带住了很久。Great Neck的犹太人和白人人口上仍然占多数,但没有新生力量,越来越老,亚裔虽然人口只占1/5,但在高中学生里已经占去一多半,而且亚裔仍在涌入,早晚要变成高档法拉盛。附近的几个犹太人聚居区都类似,比如Herricks的公立学校1/3是东亚裔,1/3是南亚裔,犹太教堂放眼望去一堆老头老太太,总之,North Hempstead已经变得非常多元。这次明显是老白川粉在公然歧视亚洲人,当地的那些华裔们却为了点蝇头小利不少人支持川普。。。

            作者 对本帖的 补充(1)
            家园 其实站在老白人角度,态度可以理解 -- 补充帖

            华人就是入侵者,侵入了他们的传统社区而且还在快速的把他们赶出去,基本上老白人老犹太进养老院或者死了,房子就卖给亚裔了。可华人还当川粉那可真是不可理喻,一堆在花儿姐上班的人精,难道不知道自己在本社区里招人烦吗?

          • 见前补充 4565413
        • 家园 系统性的隐性种族歧视在川普的喧嚣下已经朝显性种族仇视发展

          这是我不能容忍的。

      • 匿名 这是老乐一家吗?

        老乐出来吱一声,我们关心你。

        • 匿名 哈哈哈,老乐在美国混成了公务员,非精盎撒,妥妥盎撒了。

          再把皮肤漂白点,后代通婚个白皮,那就纯盎撒了。

          你这么问是埋汰人家。

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