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家园 【讨论】西欧+北美 != 全世界

世界的声音可不只仅仅局限于那么一小片,我们还有广大的亚非拉第三世界的朋友,为什么会有人得出“全世界都反对我们”这样的结论呢?

可能的话,希望其他地区的朋友们能发一发当地关于中国奥运火炬传递的消息和报道。

家园 埃及Al-Ahram周刊上关于拉萨骚乱的一篇文章

该周刊始创于1875年,是一份英文周刊(阿拉伯文报纸俺看不懂),在埃及知识界和驻埃西方人中的读者数量和影响力很大。本意是想搜一下关于火炬传递的报道,有一篇关于希腊点火仪式的报道,非常正统的新闻报道模式,没有谈及别的乱七八糟的东西。大部分文章都是关注中东地区,对奥运会的报道篇幅似乎不是太多。

另外呢,搜到这篇关于拉萨骚乱的评论文章。

No Shangri-la

BY Gamal Nkrumah

Initially I was most reluctant to write about Tibet. This autonomous region of China is often used as a subterfuge to tarnish the image of the world's largest Communist country. It soon became apparent, however, that it made little sense to tell in detail the dynamics of the current Tibetan uprising without explaining who the Tibetan people are, why they were incorporated into the People's Republic of China and what the precise historical relationship with China was. Then came the realisation that the contemporary history of Tibet was inextricably intertwined with the history of not only Communist China, but Imperial China as well.

Hollywood has produced a dozen films, at least, in support of Tibet. The Dalai Lama, the 1989 Nobel laureate, has assumed an iconic status conferred on him by all and sundry. United States President George Bush himself awarded the Dalai Lama with the Congressional Gold Medal, the top US civilian honour, last October. Incidentally, the accolade was conferred on the Dalai Lama in the midst of the US bombardment of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Earlier this month, on their own initiative, Tibetan independence activists began a six-month march from their hideouts in India to the Tibetan border to coincide with the commencement of the Olympic Games in Beijing. The Dalai Lama urged them to halt the march, "Will you get independence? What's the use?" Instead he threatened to abandon his leadership of the struggle for Tibetan civil rights. He called on his followers in Llasa to refrain from violence, saying that if matters got out of control his only option would be to resign as leader of Tibet's government-in-exile.

The Dalai Lama is a firm believer in the non-violent struggle for greater political autonomy and civil rights in Tibet. However, his protests of innocence obviously did not wash in Beijing. Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jaibao warned that the "Dalai clique organised, premeditated and masterminded" the Lhasa uprising to undermine the Beijing Olympic Games.

It is interesting to note that even though a number of high-profile athletes have threatened to boycott the Olympics, along with thousands of pro- Tibetan activists, the International Olympic Committee opposes any boycott of the Games. The Chinese, ironically, are determined to carry the Olympic torch through Tibetan territory in May on its way to Beijing, even to the top of Mount Everest.

There are a number of pertinent questions, including, why Tibet, thousands of kilometres from the Chinese capital, was incorporated into China, while Mongolia, which is far closer, was not. The other intriguing irony is that Tibet is a virtually impregnable mountain region; Mongolia is desert and steppe, much easier to invade and conquer. True, Inner Mongolia became part of China and today ethnic Han settlers outnumber the locals, and there is no considerable movement for independence or union with Outer Mongolia, an independent state. This contrasts with Xingyang (so-called East Turkestan) which is also far from Beijing, and where there is a strong independence movement by the Muslim Uighurs but who lack something vitally important for their struggle that Tibet has -- the Dalai Lama.

The turning point in Chinese-Tibetan relations occurred in 1959, when Tibetans demanded independence from the now People's Republic of China, and their insurgency was ruthlessly suppressed. The spiritual leader of Tibet, the Dalai Lama, fled to India where he has been based in exile in Dharamasala, on the Indian slopes of the Himalayas ever since.

What followed was seared into the Tibetans' soul as no other event in their history, with the wholesale destruction of monasteries and libraries and the murder of monks, part of Mao Tse-tung's Cultural Revolution. Tibetan activists in exile, both in India and in the West, understandably took up the mantra of "liberation struggle". Thousands of Tibetans perished in the ferocious onslaughts that followed. The Dalai Lama became an iconic figure both in the West and among Tibetan nationalists. As far as the Chinese were concerned, he was a traitor. "I am a spokesman for the Tibetan people, not the controller, not the master," the Dalai Lama humbly explains. But, many around the world and especially in China take these unobtrusive statements with a pinch of salt.

It is true that individual tragedies were submerged in the mass horrors of the suppression of Tibetan independence. The Red Army fell on defenceless clusters of Tibetan monks and innocent civilians. Ethnic Han Chinese settlers came en masse, and clearly as the fortunes of the Han waxed, those of the indigenous Tibetans waned. However the reality to be remembered is that Tibet has not been an independent nation since the Middle Ages.

Tibet was first united under the leadership of Sogtsan Gampo in the seventh century. The sad truth is that the Hermetic Kingdom, as the country was once known, ceased to be independent of Imperial China after the Qing Dynasty installed the Dalai Lama at the time as political head of the sprawling and inhospitable semi-autonomous region. The Chinese also instituted the Kashag government and continued to exercise some say in the running of the country, and especially the installation of Dalai Lamas sympathetic to the Chinese. The spiritual head of Tibet became not merely a revered figurehead, but a political leader as well. The imperial Chinese rarely interfered directly in the domestic affairs of Tibet and certainly made no effort to settle it with ethnic Han or to repress the cultural identity.

On the contrary, the Qing Dynasty championed Tibetan Buddhism and came to the rescue as when neighbouring Nepal invaded Tibet in 1788 and again in 1791. Two years later, the Chinese Emperor Qianlong dispatched a large force to oust the Nepalese. The Chinese emperors, thereafter, decided to preside over the selection process of the Dalai Lama and other senior Tibetan officials. It is worthy of note here that the Tibetans happily obliged.

For many centuries, the Tibetans rarely challenged the might of Imperial China. Tensions arose, however, with the scramble for central Asia between the British Raj in India, Czarist Russia and Imperial China. Matters came to a head when a British soldier, Francis Younghusband, led a force armed with the Maxim gun and overran Tibet. Yet another dose of British imperial poison for innocents abroad. The country was never to be the same again. It was only in 1949 that the Chinese People's Liberation Army "liberated" Tibet.

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篇幅很长,此处就不逐一翻译,有兴趣的可以自己去读。作者总的说来,是以一个旁观者的角度,相对比较公允地介绍了这个事件,他花了很长的篇幅探讨西藏的历史,相信作者是在写文章之前用了功的,故此能以比较客观的眼光分析自己所得到的信息,虽然其中还有一些偏颇之处,但毕竟作者人在万里之外的埃及,而且他没有人云亦云,好同志!

再复一张该期刊给配的漫画。

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家园 比南非的媒体强太多了

南非的这帮傻瓜媒体只会跟着英国人德国人屁股后面嚷嚷。

不过基本上南非关心这些事情的很少,邻居那个死活结果出不来的大选才是真正头疼的事情。

外链出处

这里面提到了斯坦福医学院的一个藏独Xiao Tan,谁去把他揪出来?

家园 那个家伙早就被揪出来了

这个照片上被人围攻的就是他。是哈尔滨人。

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他和那个台湾女那天早上偷偷混入Stanford的bus,到了起点现场就打出了藏独旗,当即就被广大人民群众轰了出去。那天他俩是仅有的出现在起点的藏独了。

家园 极品!
家园 痛快!

这家伙被AFP采访说的估计就是这段。

家园 不能这么便宜他们

让他们付车钱!

家园 好像小丑都是这个姿势

让我想起小时候时的宣传画。凡是坏蛋一律这种姿势,一副惶惶如丧家之犬的模样。我还记得反击右倾翻案风时,我上一年级,在老师的谆谆教诲下,把DXP画成这样子。

反动派被封了,

帝国主义夹着尾巴逃跑了。

哈哈。痛快。

家园 解气!
家园 是啊

支持藏独是他的自由,可跑来占我们的便宜干嘛!

家园 圣火传递基本没俺们非洲军团什么事儿.....唉....

  北京2008年奥运会火炬接力活动历时130天,传递总里程约13.7万公里。

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  火炬接力传递计划路线的顺序和城市为:北京市-阿拉木图-伊斯坦布尔-圣彼得堡-伦敦-巴黎-旧金山-布宜诺斯艾利斯-达累斯萨拉姆-马斯喀特-伊斯兰堡-孟买-曼谷-吉隆坡-雅加达-堪培拉-长野-首尔-平壤-胡志明市-台北-香港-澳门—海南省(三亚、五指山、万宁、海口)—广东省(广州、深圳、惠州、汕头)—福建省(福州、泉州、厦门、龙岩)—江西省(瑞金、井冈山、南昌)—浙江省(温州、宁波、杭州、绍兴、嘉兴)—上海市—江苏省(苏州、南通、泰州、扬州、南京)—安徽省(合肥、淮南、芜湖、绩溪、黄山)—湖北省(武汉、宜昌、荆州)—湖南省(岳阳、长沙、韶山)—广西壮族自治区(桂林、南宁、百色)—云南省(昆明、丽江、香格里拉)—贵州省(贵阳、凯里、遵义)—重庆市—四川省(广安、绵阳、广汉、乐山、自贡、宜宾、成都)—西藏自治区(山南地区、拉萨)—青海省(格尔木、青海湖、西宁)—新疆维吾尔自治区(乌鲁木齐、喀什、石河子、昌吉)—甘肃省(敦煌、嘉峪关、酒泉、天水、兰州)—宁夏回族自治区(中卫、吴忠、银川)—陕西省(延安、杨凌、咸阳、西安)—山西省(运城、平遥、太原、大同)—内蒙古自治区(呼和浩特、鄂尔多斯、包头、赤峰)—黑龙江省(齐齐哈尔、大庆、哈尔滨)—吉林省(松原、长春、吉林、延吉)—辽宁省(沈阳、本溪、辽阳、鞍山、大连)—山东省(烟台、威海、青岛、日照、临沂、曲阜、泰安、济南)—河南省(商丘、开封、郑州、洛阳、安阳)—河北省(石家庄、秦皇岛、唐山)—天津市—北京市。

其实应该增加在广大亚非拉国家的传递城市,没必要给那帮帝国主义们好脸子看!

家园 达累斯萨拉姆就在非洲啊

坦桑尼亚首都。还想不起来的起码坦赞铁路都听说过吧。

这次北美、南美、非洲、大洋洲都是一个点。

倒是算不上特别的大小眼。

家园 "基本没有" != "没有"

坦桑尼亚和中国关系的确很铁,可如果是说影响力,无论是政治还是经济,在非洲根本排不上号。为啥没有南非和俺们埃及啊?

家园 看来还是不放心

南非其实闹不起事情来,虽然有个别人同情这同情那,但是一般人不会有什么过激行为。外面来的要是真想闹起来,南非的和统会老大可是华人最大的什么社会头子呢。那个什么功曾经组织一帮人从澳洲过来,结果被赶走了。有的时候什么势力也挺管用的。要是把火炬放到约翰内斯堡或者比勒陀利亚,两个城市的十几万华人怎么也会利用这个机会开个大party的。

埃及不清楚,不过撒哈拉以南的非洲人很多觉得那不是非洲。其实很多人眼里,南非也不大是非洲。

坦桑尼亚真的没影响力,不如放在尼日利亚或者肯尼亚。肯尼亚还乱,尼日利亚总不成问题吧?那里据说也有几万中国人呢。所谓非洲四极,埃及南非尼日利亚肯尼亚,怎么也应该占一个不是?

家园 坦桑尼亚可以说是非洲最稳定的国家之一了

建国以来就没有过政变,暗杀,种族冲突之类的事。当年还出兵灭了吃人肉的阿明。

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