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家园 【文摘】英国记者在新疆:给中国警员的批评和赞许

  转者按:这是一个朋友通过邮件转给兄弟的,原载【八阕】,兄弟这里上不去,没法作链接,版主要觉得不合适,请转到其他版块。

英国记者在新疆:给中国警员的批评和赞许

网址:http://www.popyard.org

  英国每日电讯报记者Peter Foster 2009年7月9日的博文:《给中国警员的批评和赞许》

  乌鲁木齐 ? 自星期日首次发生暴力事件以来,正常生活的感觉第一次回到了这里的街道上。

  今天早上 8 点钟宵禁一结束,我就出门了。局势毫无疑问地感觉轻松多了―在路面行驶的汽车多了,有人在公园里打着太极拳,妇女们从菜市场带着新鲜的农产品归来。我甚至还看到了一些遛狗的人。

  警方的存在仍然非常醒目―直升飞机在头顶盘旋,长长的装甲运兵车队,高压水枪和运载着准军事警察(指武警)的卡车在城市里缓缓穿行。这些景象不断提醒着你,维持法律和秩序的力量正随时准备行动。

  这里对中国警察在此次危机中的表现说一句:依我所见,他们在极困难的形势下表现了很高的纪律性和专业性,为此应该实实在在地赞扬他们一番。

  而另一方面,可以说,警方在第一时间是失败了。这无疑是我们与之交谈过的许多汉族人的看法。他们对周日的杀戮未能被阻止感到深深的愤怒。

  警方似乎完全措手不及。他们驱散了周日晚6-8点间发生在人民广场和南门附近的第一次示威,却没能预见到10点半以后在小巷里的极端暴力。

  这可能是因为,乌鲁木齐不像喀什那样,是个总体上感觉稳定(我不太愿意使用“和谐”这个词)的城市,这里的维汉关系与新疆的其他地方不同。

  而到了星期二,警方似乎又一次没有就位。那时,警察们还一直将注意力放在确保维族聚居区的稳定上。此时,大批汉人手持棍棒和其他武器走上街头,对被他们称为嗜血的维族分子周日对他们的屠杀表示义愤,这似乎让警察手足无措。

  这些都是合理的批评。但中国警方和武警对后来发生的事态的处理,也值得大大表扬。

  周二,警察们如履薄冰。他们既要直面汉族示威者,要在空气中弥漫着真正的血腥味时把他们与维族聚居区隔离开,又要让他们有机会发泄自己合理的愤怒和挫败感。

  在事件过程中,警方默许一群群的汉族人绕着大圈子来回走动,让他们在热辣辣的太阳下面消耗气力,但从未允许他们接触到那愤怒的对象。在我看来,这是非常聪明的警戒手段。

  后来,星期三,通过毫不掩饰地展示警力,他们确保了抗议的汉人基本上远离街道。

  此前周二的情况也是如此。当一群赛马场区的维族妇女和儿童领头开始抗议抓捕自己家中的男人后,警察制止了这次抗议。他们展示了警力,但就在事态可能即将变糟的一刹那,他们明智地后退了几百米。

  我不想自诩为防暴问题专家。但我曾在世界许多地方报道过群体抗议事件―如英国(伦敦的足球流氓骚乱)、非洲(哈拉雷和拉各斯)、巴基斯坦(拉合尔、卡拉奇和白沙瓦),以及印度的几个城市。我可以说,中国的警方展示了远远高于以上许多地方同行的专业素养、纪律和克制力。

  骚乱是狂热和不可控制的事情。只要警队中有一个新兵不慎大打出手,就能让已得到控制的局势变得不可收拾。而透过盔甲,你可以看到中国警队中的许多人都很年轻。

  因此,要无保留地称赞这些展示了极高专业素质的中国警察。应当为他们在周日晚间的暴力发生之后阻止了进一步流血而鼓掌。

  他们训练有素,在下岗时则安静有序。比方说,他们不像印度警察那样总是在饭后拖着一条丢弃杂物的尾巴。这些都是小事,但并非毫无影响,因为它们会左右警方给人的印象。

  如果要批评什么的话,正如前面提到的那样,应该批评那些未能预见到事态发展的指挥员和警官。

  警方的下一个考验在于如何处置1400多名被捕者,其中大多数是维族人。无辜者应当不受伤害地送回家中,而罪犯则必须得到惩罚。这个过程必须让维汉双方都得到满意的说法,而这并非易事。

  说到这里,我很快要去伦敦休一个夏季假期。我的同事Malcolm Moore将继续不断地从上海和其他地方通过Twitter和博客向你们通报中国新闻。

家园 沉宝
家园 送花。
家园 恐怖分子中不存在无辜者

警方的下一个考验在于如何处置1400多名被捕者,其中大多数是维族人。无辜者应当不受伤害地送回家中,而罪犯则必须得到惩罚

家园 其实西媒从业人员中

从来就不缺少富于公正、客观精神的个体。当然昧着良心、选择性报道的个体也不在少数。当西媒有足够的内在动力去诋毁和妖魔化中国时,他们会压抑前一种个体的声音;当此动力不足时,西媒保持公正可观的诉求会上升为主要诉求,这个时候我们就会听到第一种声音。不过,从长期来看,西媒妖魔化中国的内在动力并没有减弱的可能,所以我们不必对西媒的公正客观抱有什么幻想。

看得出,中校对我们武警的表现很满意

家园 就算有良心又如何

这篇文章是发表在作者的私人博客上的,为啥会发在哪里捏?当然是因为他知道报社不会刊登,报社只需要TG用机枪扫射维族小萝莉的故事

家园 介个,只能说兄弟对我们的战士们表现满意!

都是好战士!

别的嘛,要反思要总结的地方,还很多。

但俺也想说一点,如果仅从技战术层面反思总结——比如警力投放与部署什么的,可能还是到不了位。俺所说的反思,那就要从根子上理起:是不是仅仅是提高装备水平组建越来越多的特警队什么才能解决问题?是不是只靠介个就能解决问题?为什么我们没有造成让X独分子们在群众中无法存生更无法作乱的社会群众基础?这个基础并不是天方夜谭而是实实在在存在过的哟!曾几何时,比疆独更容易存身的藏独在西藏,那可是根本就蹲不住滴哟!很多坏家伙,是公安派出所公安员加几个民兵,就搞定了的哟!

中国介个地面儿太大了,人太多了,一个几百万的人城市,总不能随时都屯着十多万的军力警力看住吧?话说回来,就是有这么多军力警力,是不是就你一定能看住?

想起了一句老话:与其扬汤止沸,不如釜底抽薪。

如今奶共的土共老子们,玩儿的就是釜底抽薪!

家园 贡献一下原帖地址吧

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterfoster/100002643/urumqi-criticism-and-credit-for-the-chinese-police/

For the first time since Sunday’s violence a sense of normality is returning to the streets here.

I went out this morning at 8am immediately after curfew was lifted and things were definitely feeling more relaxed – many more cars on the roads, people doing their tai-ji in the parks, women returning from the vegetable markets laden with fresh produce, even a few dog-walkers.

There is still a very visible police presence - helicopters circling overhead and massive convoys of armoured personnel carriers, water canons and trucks carrying paramilitary police winding slowly through the city as a constant reminder that the forces of law and order are ready to act at a moment’s notice.

A note on the performance of the Chinese police during this crisis: from what I’ve seen they have been highly disciplined and professional under extremely challenging circumstances and deserve real praise for this.

On the one hand, it could be argued that the police failed in the first instance. Certainly that is the view of many Han people we’ve spoken too who are deeply angry that Sunday’s killing was allowed to take place at all.

It seems that the police were taken completely by surprise. Having broken up the original demonstration around the People’s Square and the South Gate on Sunday night between 6pm and 8pm, they failed to anticipate the extreme violence that was unfolded along the side-streets after about 10.30pm.

Perhaps this was because Urumqi, unlike Kashgar, is generally felt to be a stable - I hesitate to use the ‘H’ word (harmonious) - city where relations between Uighur and Han are nothing like as tense as in other parts of Xinjiang.

Then on Tuesday, the police appeared to get caught out a second time when, having focussed on locking down the Uighur areas, they seemed unprepared for the huge number of Han who took to the streets with their clubs and other weapons to show their anger over what they say was effectively an anti-Han pogrom carried out by thuggish Uighur elements on Sunday night.

These are fair criticisms, but equally the Chinese police and paramilitaries must be given huge credit for handling the situations that did arise.

On Tuesday they walked a fine line between confronting the Han protesters - keeping them separate from the Uighur community at a time when there was a real sense of blood lust in the air - and allowing them they chance to vent their legitimate anger and frustration.

In the event, the Han crowds on Tuesday effectively were allowed to go round and round in circles, exhausting themselves in the hot sun while never actually being allowed to reach the objects of their anger. To my mind, this was very smart policing.

Then on Wednesday, after an overwhelming show of force, the police made sure that the Han protestors largely stayed off the streets.

Similarly on Tuesday when a crowd of Uighur women and children of the Sai Ma Chang (Racetrack) district led a protest against the arrest of their men, the police contained the protest - showing force, but judiciously withdrawing a few hundred metres just at the moment when it looked as if things might get nasty.

I don’t claim to be an expert in riot control, but I have reported on mass protests in many different cities around the world - in the UK (football riots in London), in Africa (Harare and Lagos), in Pakistan (Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar) and in several cities in India - and I’m happy to say that China’s police have showed far greater professionalism, discipline and restraint than I’ve observed in many of those places.

Riots are feverish and unpredictable things and it only takes one nervous recruit to lash out (and if you look behind the visors, many of the Chinese police are pretty young) and suddenly a controlled situation can turn very nasty indeed.

All credit to the Chinese foot-soldiers, therefore, who have shown great professionalism and must be applauded for preventing any major further bloodshed after Sunday night.

They are neatly turned out, quiet and orderly when off-duty - for example, they don’t leave a trail of litter after chow-time like India’s police always did. These are small things but they do matter, since they set the tone.

If there is any criticism to be made, as outlined in the two points above, it should be directed at the commanders and officials who failed to anticipate events.

The next test for the police is how they handle the cases of the 1,400 arrested people, mostly Uighurs. The innocent must be returned unharmed to their families, while the guilty must be punished. Both sides, Uighur and Han, need to be satisfied by this process. It won’t be easy.

On that note, I shall shortly be departing for London on a summer break, but my colleague Malcolm Moore will be keeping you up date on China news with tweets and blogs from Shanghai and beyond.

For now, it’s ‘zaijian’ from me.

家园 写的还挺客观的,结合昨天的新闻,英国是要站队了吗?

报告稍微好一点的新闻都是从英国那里传过来的,bbc除外

家园 这个西媒人士倒很中立

媒体如果都如此报道,就少了很多口水,甚至对抗。我这是妄想了

家园 呵呵,是个老记者!

I don’t claim to be an expert in riot control, but I have reported on mass protests in many different cities around the world - in the UK (football riots in London), in Africa (Harare and Lagos), in Pakistan (Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar) and in several cities in India - and I’m happy to say that China’s police have showed far greater professionalism, discipline and restraint than I’ve observed in many of those places.

家园 那几位加我为好友的,好像有宝乐
家园 欧洲的YSL问题比TG严重多了

咱这里好歹是发生在边疆 他们的就在心脏地带

家园 英国应该在徘徊

有好有坏了,我感觉最差的就是times

家园 难得的公道,送宝

谢谢:作者意外获得【通宝】一枚

鲜花已经成功送出。

此次送花为【有效送花赞扬,涨乐善、声望】

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