主题：1919-1924年波兰抓获的苏联战俘 -- 一直在混

俄波两国历史学家(prof. Waldemar Rezmer and prof. Zbigniew Karpus from Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń and prof. Gennady Matveyev from Moscow State University)的共同看法：

总数八万至八万五，死亡人数16,000 (Karpus, Rezmer) - 20,000 (Matveyev)

死亡原因主要是疾病，这些疾病也造成了其他士兵和平民的大量死亡。

死在苏联和立陶宛的波兰战俘大约有2万。

外链出处

不知道仙人的说法出处？

From autumn 1920, thousands of captured Red Army men had been placed in the camp of Тuchola, in Pomerania. These POWs lived in trenches. Famine, cold and infectious diseases killed tens of prisoners daily. In the winter 1920/1921 PoWs had a death rate of about 25% which was attributed to malnutrition, poor sanitary conditions, lack of fuel and medicines and physical maltreatment by the Polish supervisors.

From the moment of opening an infirmary in February, 1921 till May 11, 1921 there was registered epidemic diseases 6491, not epidemic 12294, 2561 deaths (W.Rezmer, Zbigniew Karpus, G.Matvejev Red Army POWs in the Polish POW camps 1919-1922, p. 671).

Lieutenant Colonel I. Matuszewski, the head of the II department of the Polish Joint Staff, informed the military minister of Poland in the letter on February 1, 1922, that 22,000 PoWs were lost in the camp of Tuchola during its existence. (Red Army POWs..., p. 671), however according to Karpus, Rezmer the total death toll in all Polish POW camps was near 16,000, while Matvejev's estimate is 20,000.

On the other side of the frontline about 20,000 out of about 51,000 Polish POWs died in Soviet and Lithuanian camps (Karpus, Zbigniew, Alexandrowicz Stanisaw, Zwycizcy za drutami. Jeńcy polscy w niewoli (1919-1922). Dokumenty i materiay (Victors behind the fences. Polish POWs (1919-1922). Documents and materials). Wydawnictwo Uniwersytetu Mikoaja Kopernika w Toruniu, Toruń, 1995, ISBN 83-231-0627-4).

While the conditions for Soviet prisoners were clearly exposed by the free press in Poland(Karpus op.cit.), no corresponding fact-finding about Soviet camps for Polish POWs could be expected from tightly controlled Soviet press of the time. Available data shows many cases of mistreatment of Polish prisoners. There have been also cases of Soviet army executing Polish POWs when no POW facilities were available (Karpus op.cit.).

The Russian historians arrived at this number by first estimating the number of POWs, then subtracting the number that has been repatriated to the Soviet Union after the hostilities ended, and then assuming that most of the remainder died in POW camps[3]. Polish historians always countered this by arguing that: (a) the number of POWs was very difficult to estimate accurately, due to the chaotic situation prevailing for most of the war, and (b) many Soviet POWs lost that status after they switched sides and entered units fighting alongside Polish forces against the Red Army, or were transferred to the Whites rather than the Bolsheviks[3]. There was also the problem that significant number of Russian POWs were left in the territory of Poland since World War I (about 3.9 million soldiers of the Russian Empire were taken captive by the Central Powers) and obviously when the Polish-Soviet conflict deteriorated, these POWs were not released to Russia.[3][4]

2004年两位波兰的历史学家和一个莫斯科州立大学的教授合作得出来的这个数字，老实说，我觉得上面那些理由加起来的话，这个数字并不怎么准确。

更重要的是，哪里有屠杀的证据？

苏联方面是留下相关的大量文档的，所以作实了，波兰自己留下的文档在哪里，这是个问题，我觉得如果要寻找证据的话，就应该尽可能的依靠原始文件，如果没有，那既不能肯定，也不能否定，就变成了前面两国的争论，所有数字都是估计的，没有一个相对准确的数字，这是什么都证明不了的。之所以这么说，是基于两个事实，波兰政府对苏维埃的态度和波苏战争的实际进程。 我在崔可夫的回忆录看到过一些波苏战争的回忆，感觉上是倾向于存在的。

仙人那贴的其他人一个引用，不过只适合做参考了，没有详细的文件

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_648e221f0100humu.html

那个俄罗斯学者是M·V·罗蒙诺索夫莫斯科国立大学的（俄语：Московский Государственный Университет имени М.В.Ломоносова，缩写为МГУ、MSU或 MGU，简称“莫斯科国立大学”）是俄罗斯最大和历史最悠久的大学。

他的考证对俄罗斯不太有利，如果有假的话早就被打成卖国贼了吧

高尔察克可以翻案成反抗苏维埃的民族英雄，这个也未必没可能的啊。

当然了，我不懂俄文，看的是机器翻译的结果，可能理解上有偏差。希望有懂俄文的网友能核实一下。另外值得注意的是英文wiki上所引的内容是来自波兰方面的。

wiki除了科学方面的东西，很多条目倾向性比较强，并没有一个各方面都完整的评述。在不同语言的版本里这个问题也很严重。