主题：【原创】笨狼臧否世界英雄-1入围者（旧作） -- 迷途笨狼

divide that land.

There will be two blocks: Germanic and Latin ones, but not one unified Euroland.

Wait for shocks from the French banks in the next 12 months.

mostly ruled today's Latin European region. Its control over Germanic region was brief and short-lived.

West Roman Empire used Latin as the communication languages, which gave birth to all modern latin European languages, such as Spanish, Portuguese, French and Italian.

人家笨狼兄说的不是罗马帝国,而是法兰克帝国.法国,意大利,德国在查理曼大帝的时代的确是同一个国家,后来三分,就再也没有统一过.

法国不能算纯粹的拉丁国家.法国的起源是高卢凯尔特人和日耳曼人的混杂.高卢被罗马的统治远远晚于伊比利亚半岛.

"You do not know history well, kid."这句话最好不要说,首先就很不谦虚,其次自己容易出丑.

that's clearly Roman Empire, not the fake Holy Roman Empire.

Holy Roman empire is a joke, with no historical significance. And 罗马 is usually not equivalent of Holy Roman Empire.

Today's Frenchmen have only 1/6 of "traditional" French people. Most are offsprings of immigrants from Spain and Italy. Why do not just visit there, talk to local people and enjoy their culture first before just referring to textbook info? Even Frenchmen admitted their culture is Latin culture.

法国的起源是高卢凯尔特人和日耳曼人的混杂--France comes from "Frank" and Celtic influence was mostly eliminated during the Roman rule and Frankish invasion. BTW, the assumption that political union will result in cultural similarity is not true: check Han-China and Tibet section of China.

I think Europeans know better about their history than some Chinese textbooks.

key: the loss of global reserve currency status.

America enjoyed this priviledge too long and it will be horrible to lose it. The elites all know that.

欧洲的政治统一貌似不会出现: not good news for China too.

但藏人的文化与汉人文化截然不同。

Your implicit logic is that political union will ensure cultural similarity, that's a wrong assumption.

法兰克帝国和那个既不神圣也不罗马更不帝国的"神圣罗马帝国"根本 不是一回事请,前后差了近两个世纪.你那么瞧不起历史textbook,结果把基本历史知识都搞错了.

Today's Frenchmen have only 1/6 of "traditional" French people. Most are offsprings of immigrants from Spain and Italy. 这个扯淡的数据不知道从哪里来的.估计肯定不是历史书上来的.

BTW, the assumption that political union will result in cultural similarity is not true.

没人这么假设,这是你自己假设.法兰克帝国可不是什么纯粹的政治联盟,那是法兰克日耳曼人征服的帝国.

你以为你用英语说话,就可以assume别人都是看的Chinese textbooks?呵呵,这逻辑,杠杠的.

I think Europeans know better...

您貌似并非european啊,可您却总貌似know better.

back in Paris. It is reported in The Economist article before. Modern France is quite different from France in the 11th century too.

法兰克帝国 is not Roman empire, nor the Holy Roman Empire. His previous post talks about "Rome". I only comment only his "Rome" word. Please read carefully.

As to the Frankish empire, it did not last long and does not have enough time to unify language and cultures before its final division. After that, those three nations developed separately.

BTw, the big cultural division between Germanic Europeans and Latin European is common knowledge among Europeans. Most inter-national marriage goes easily among Germanic people (e.g., Dutch-Germans, German-Danish, French-Italian/Spanish) or among Latin people, but it is difficult to marry across the Germanic and Latin line.

很多事情在欧洲生活过1-2年就会懂得，眼见经历一下就好了。

No time to waste, let's ignore each other.

说不明白了就屏蔽?人家本来就说的是法兰克帝国,你自己非要套到罗马帝国,还神圣罗马帝国也给扯上.你以为就你一个在欧洲生活过吗?本人在英国生活过2年,西欧南欧基本都游历过.

你知道你什么毛病吗?自己以为自己优越,就总是一上来就给别人套一个假设.那句教训别人"you do not know history well, kid",真的很可笑.

拉丁区和非拉丁区之间是比利牛斯山-阿尔皮斯山。

法兰克帝国是个非常松散的组织--军事、文化、语言、行政、经济、宗教方面都是如此--因松散、低效而出名的“神圣罗马帝国”与前者相比，可谓组织严密。法兰克帝国存在的唯一意义就是遏制了阿拉伯人向比利牛斯山以北渗透，奠定了近代西班牙与近代法国之间的区别，进而影响了欧洲近代历史。

西班牙对阿拉伯人的独立战争，融合了民族独立与宗教冲突两大因素，这注定了西班牙王室比较强势，而且只能铁心支持天主教。而且，西班牙、葡萄牙吸收了阿拉伯不少先进技术，在欧亚商道中断、威尼斯没落之时，这两个区域在航海大发现时获得了先发优势。

但在另外一方面，西班牙王室由于在独立战争中获得了强势地位，就和贵族权力受限的尼德兰省尿不到一个壶里去。资本主义的尼德兰在英法怂恿之下独立之后，封建主义的西班牙就彻底废了。

同理，阿尔卑斯山造成了意大利与欧洲北部的区别。不仅拿破仑时代阿尔皮斯山是个障碍，一战、二战的历史又重复说明了这一点。一战时，区区一个师的德国步兵就可以利用山地，打得几十万意军屁滚尿流，隆美尔中尉在这场战争崭露头角。二战时，到了欧洲胜利日，凯瑟琳元帅仍牢牢控制着意大利北部，欧洲的软腹部证明一点也不软。

欧洲北部--从法国到德国东部--大体是一马平川，是最有希望统一的。但有几大因素阻碍统一。首先是人种。法国是凯尔特人、拉丁人、日耳曼人三种血统的混血，德国则基本纯种。第二是森林。凯撒可以率领军团翻越阿尔皮斯山，但在日耳曼的黑森林也不敢过于深入。等日耳曼人在数百年时间里砍了大片森林变作农田，法国人有能力去蹂躏日耳曼邻居，实现北欧统一的时候，第三因素出现了:英国崛起，开始大陆均衡政策。路易十四、拿破仑都是倒在这一政策之下。

拿破仑时代，在耶拿，一个肉体割裂但精神上初步统一的德意志民族出现了，区别在于统一的不同路径而已。俾斯麦巧妙利用俄、法、奥之间的矛盾，制定有限目标，通过铁血政策，实现了统一。但当德国人胃口大了，放弃有限目标，追逐无限的征服，德国人就两次成了两线作战的待宰羔羊。

二战后欧洲荣耀尽失，颤抖在苏联核武和数万辆坦克的常规武器威胁之下，西欧都成了美国附庸。在这个前提下，德法握手，从煤钢入手，实现了欧洲北部的经济一体化，然后拓展到今天整个欧盟。

冷战结束之后，以科索沃战争为起始点，美国的角色就渐渐向英国的大陆均衡政策转化。欧元和美元成了竞争对手。仅从经济角度而言，现在全球格局的演进方向是美中欧三国演义，再加上俄、日、印、巴等中等国家跑龙套。但美国要拔苗助长，提前把三国演义变成G2，手段有两个方向，一是打击欧元，试图让欧洲回到昔日的小喽啰时代；二是通过G2，诱使中国和欧洲互殴，中国得虚名而受实祸。当然，一和二是多少有点矛盾的--衰落的欧洲怎么可能有力量又有什么必要与中国互殴？再者中国对G2戒心很重，虽然精英分子们的煽风点火，政府是不咬钩的。美国就改成左手打击欧元，右手围堵中国。如两招都不灵，美国的最后一招是把中东彻底打乱，让中欧商道断绝，但在美帝控制中东石油的情况下，尚不至于如此。

欧洲内部，好日子不再，势必一些国家继续富裕，如挪威、德国，一些国家变得很穷。富人可以一起开party，一起happy，穷人可以一起抱团取暖。然而穷人富人一起过日子，有同伴之名，而有主（北欧）仆（南欧）之实，再加上英美不停地煽风点火，这日子怎么可能过得顺当？

我觉得欧洲能遏制内部民族主义崛起就不错了，想政治统一，恐怕不容易。

常识性问题上浪费时间了，

拉丁区和非拉丁区之间是比利牛斯山-阿尔皮斯山。

--French is a latin language. Frenchmen themselves said that they are Latin people by culture.

--According to The Economist, only 1/6 today's Frenchmen come from old French "stock" and many are offsprings from Italian and Spanish immigrants. So 11th century Frenchmen were still Frankish, but today's Frenchmen are mostly Latin. I do not think there is need for further debate.

我学过法语，又在那里生活过，还算了解一二吧。你是聪明人，全世界各地都跑过。Your post is trying to please both sides and making everyone happy: but it might not be factual.

比利牛斯山--is not a block for everyone. Many Basque people also live on both sides of this mountain. It slows down the spread of civilization into Spain, but it does not block everything.

欧洲内部，好日子不再，势必一些国家继续富裕，如挪威、德国，一些国家变得很穷。富人可以一起开party，一起happy，穷人可以一起抱团取暖。然而穷人富人一起过日子，有同伴之名，而有主（北欧）仆（南欧）之实，再加上英美不停地煽风点火，这日子怎么可能过得顺当？

我觉得欧洲能遏制内部民族主义崛起就不错了，想政治统一，恐怕不容易。

--fully agree. In the end, it will split into two blocks: Germanic and Latin blocks. Xenophobia is already on the rise. France is slowly slipping into the poor side.

再加上英美不停地煽风点火，这日子怎么可能过得顺当？

--这也是为何你我两个聪明人选择把家室送到北美，而不是欧洲的原因嘛。

Smart people chose to avoid dangerous(or potentially) dangerous places and stick to the future winners. Simple.

虽然德语、英语中也有很多的拉丁词根。

但法国不属于纯拉丁文化。法国历史中有太多的北方蛮族成分--日耳曼也好，维京也好，诺曼也好。拉丁次之，凯特尔再次之。

German came into formal existence due to the translation of Bible by Martin Luther, so did English and Dutch. All those Germanic languages lack uniform writing and upper-class used Latin or French for communication. Their birth is partially attributed to the translation of Bible.

拉丁词根--are borrowed to create certain words. But average people usually can easily live within their own language blocks and understand people around them (eg., Frenchmen in Spain, Portugal, Italy and vice versa), but not across the block line (e.g., a Spaniard in Germany/Netherlands/Norway/England), though many English words share some Latin roots. Actually, my German/Dutch/Norway/Danish friends all told me that they can communicate in their own mother tones and still understand each other. It does not happen when one German talks to a Spaniard.

Grammatical and writing differences are also huge across the Latin-Germanic line.

法国历史中有太多的北方蛮族成分--日耳曼也好，维京也好，诺曼也好。拉丁次之，凯特尔再次之。

Actually so is Britain!! But Britain and France still treat each other as different cultural groups. You are talking about BLOODLINE, not cultures. For Englishmen, they also have 日耳曼(Anglo-Saxon)，维京(due to Viking invasion)，诺曼(Norman in Northern France as well as Southern England)。拉丁(due to Julius Caesar)，凯特尔(aboriginal people, before Roman invasion)。

so is Spain: spaniards are physically different from each other. It has mixed bloodline of 凯特尔(celtic), Latin, Germanic (due to barbarian invasion) and even Moors (Arabic).

BLOODLINE is all mixed in various European nations. I even have several French friends with German names (because of the loss of Alsace) and German blood, but in Europe, two major languages and cultural blocks are still obvious: that's the latin and the Germanic ones.

In the future, Frenchmen will still choose their Latin friends as partner, not Germans. Frenchmen and Germans are just so so different culturally, even though they may share so much in bloodline. Inside the European Commission, according to my Spanish friend, latin Europeans are working closer with each other than with their Germanic colleagues.

BTW, Hofstede is the guru on cultural studies back in Europe. I post some info here.

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