主题：【求助】有大神知道什么是super petchili ? -- 海中山

求大神赐教：什么是super petchili bond? ????

这玩意基本是废纸一张。但很多骗局都用这个来作为噱头。

eBay、Amazon 上有卖。用途是投机。蒋介石都不偿付的废纸，什么样的中国政府会偿付？但做梦的人总是有的。也有人收藏吧。另外，加国那边律师协会出了告示，说有人用此类名义造假骗钱。小心！

Petchili bond是北直隶公债（要注意，这个不是你说的Super petchili bond），1913年民国发行，以河北省烟酒税为抵押，发展河北公共事业，总共50万英镑，年息5.5%，1953年到期。

俺不知道为什么这个北直隶债券这么出名，结果就是另外一个债券被叫做Super petchili bond，其实真正的名字是1913年发行的陇海铁路借款债券，当时叫陇秦豫海铁路，债券上的英文是Lung-Tsing-U-Hai。该债券以陇海铁路路权为担保，总共计划发行1000万英镑，每张债券面值20英镑，年息5%，1953年到期。实际发行400万英镑后被一战打断，所以总共卖出去20万张。

后来吴佩孚兵败北洋政府垮台后就停止付利息，1936年国民政府债务整理，利率减到4%，延缓到1982年到期，又新印了一批债券还利息，新债券跟旧债券长得一样，但编号大于20万。很快抗战爆发，然后就再也没还过一分钱。

目前这些民国债券有收藏价值，但指望中国政府还钱绝不可能。

真大神也。有史有据，信手拈来，佩服。通宝奉上，请笑纳。

民国的债券就不认了?

合着锅都是前朝背,好处都是今朝得

朝鲜战争，越南战争打完，老大心里都拔凉拔凉的，而且是越打越凉。

抱朴仙人曾经谈到过（依据好像是恶法非法，美国有判例，被中国法律专家援引，美国也只好吃瘪），中美建交谈判可是一系列的扳手腕，建交之后以美国为首的西方国家已经放弃了拿条约，债券，被没收资产来压中华人民共和国承认。

谁现在能压中国政府承认那些，绝对是世界级，现象级，前无古人的大咖！！！美国历届活着的总统过来给大咖跪下磕头请安舔脚趾头，还要看大咖心情舒畅与否。

其实就是拳头大了

看看热闹就好了

https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/support-and-resources-for-lawyers/lawyers-insurance-fund/fraud-prevention/fraud-alerts/fraud-alert-july-10,-2018/

Potential fraudulent scheme involving historical bonds

July 10, 2018

The Law Society has become aware of a potentially fraudulent scheme that may involve the purported sale or redemption of historical bonds for a large amount of money, or the chance to invest or participate in such a transaction. Bonds used in this kind of scheme have included Chinese, “Super Petchili,” Napoleonic, Mexican and railway bonds.

Lawyers may be targeted by being asked to certify documents, take possession of bonds, prepare contracts, or receive funds into trust.

The fraud may also involve one or more of the following:

A contract referring to a lawyer or other trusted party as an intermediary or as being in possession of a bond;

A requirement of complete confidentiality;

References to trading programs;

Documents that refer to the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) or the International Monetary Fund (IMF) or include legal-sounding terms, such as:

“purchase participation contract”

“non-circumvention/non-disclosure”

“exit-buyer”

“full legal and corporate responsibility”

“table top closing”

The bonds used in the scheme may or may not be real. They are generally worthless as financial documents and might have value only as collectors' items. People who are targets or dupes in the scheme may be led to believe that a sale or trade of the bond for a large amount of money is pending, and they may be asked to pay money in order to participate in a transaction which is entirely fictitious.

Lawyers are encouraged to be vigilant.

For more information on fraudulent schemes, including the red flags of fraud and questions to ask, you may access further reading under fraudulent investment schemes or contact Practice Advisor Barbara Buchanan, QC for advice.

的确有一定收藏价值：这个债券是民国发行的，大印却是清朝的。

要是吹这东西能兑换n多钱，那就别搭理他了。。。

那时候不就是凭拳头大嘛，在中国这片土地上奸杀掳掠什么事儿没干过？极地恶灵这部电视连续剧里英国军官还津津乐道同时轻蔑无比地谈到他们怎么击杀保卫镇江的清军士兵（可怜的大阴帝国现在因为一个脱欧脱得一佛升天，二佛出世——北爱尔兰这块鱼刺要卡得主动脉弓爆裂啊）。

河里一位河友跟不怀好意的西方人讨论中国时夸西方国家：比以前耐心和友善多了，反复谈判反复劝说，想当初炮舰啥的早就打上门了。噎得那些老小子简直是要大小便失禁。

要是中国现在还像利比亚，伊拉克那熊样，人家组团出动飞机来尽义务帮你犁地，航空炸弹成吨赠送不要钱。

为啥还有傻子买呢