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主题：31位国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信 -- 果酱
我先请教各位河友：
方舟子质疑肖传国的学术成果是属于学术打假还是学术争论？
学术打假和学术争论有什么区别？
是不是质疑某人的某项学术成果，就可以认为自己在学术打假？
此处下载原文PDF文档 [sci.rutgers.edu]
Open letter in support of Chuan-Guo Xiao, M.D. from the
International Academic Community
September 29, 2010
To all,
We have all had the pleasure of knowing Dr. Chuan-Guo Xiao for many years. He is an
internationally respected surgeon-scientist who has made major advances in the
development of neuroregeneration to restore voiding and bowel function. Dr. Xiao
performed groundbreaking animal research in the United States, demonstrating that a
motor nerve that innervates the leg can be used to reinnervate the bladder and
bowel. This reinnervation allows for development of a reflex to initiate bladder
function. The results of his studies were published in peer-reviewed journals and
other scientists have replicated Xiao’s findings confirming these results.
Dr. Xiao eventually took the courageous step of moving from animal research to
human studies and began performing the rerouting procedure on patients with spinal
cord injury and spina bifida in China. Neurogenic bladder is life threatening in China
due to a lack of both antimuscarinics and intermittent catheterization, and lessening
the complications of neurogenic bladder would be considered a lifesaving success.
Patients with neurogenic bladder and bowel suffer greatly and endure a host of issues
such as urinary retention, incontinence, recurrent infections, renal insufficiency,
fecal incontinence, constipation, and poor quality of life. For a procedure as
complicated as nerve rerouting requiring nerve regeneration, one cannot expect
normalization of bladder and bowel function to be the definition of success. What is
important is that the benefits outweigh the risks of the procedure.
Dr. Xiao published his clinical results in peer-reviewed journals and was twice
honored by the Jack Lapides Essay Contest, one of the most respected international
awards given to scientists who make major contributions to the field of neurourology.
In 2008, he was named the Kelm Hjalmas Memorial Lecturer from the International
Children’s Continence Society for his scientific achievements. Many of us have
traveled to China to examine patients treated by Dr. Xiao and/or have been trained
by him in the nerve rerouting surgery he invented. Dr. Xiao is a very skilled surgeon
who is passionate about patient care and works tirelessly to train physicians around
the world in performing his nerve rerouting procedure.
In the United States, an independent and very rigorous pilot research trial was
performed to test the safety and efficacy of this procedure. The one-year results
were recently published in the Journal of Urology. At the 12-month follow-up visit, a
cutaneous to bladder reflex was found in 7 of 9 spina bifida patients, confirming that
rerouting does occur. This finding by itself is remarkable and Dr. Xiao should be
commended. In addition, a number of patients demonstrated improvement in bladder
and bowel function, which has continued to improve with longer patient follow-up.
The 36-month results are currently being analyzed and will be reported in the near
future. The pilot data was supportive of Dr. Xiao’s procedure, and now an NIH
sponsored clinical trial is being conducted to further study lumbar to sacral nerve
rerouting in spina bifida patients. In addition, similar procedures have been done
worldwide, with Dr. Xiao helping to mentor the surgeons at each site.
The Chinese people and government should be proud of Dr. Xiao for his dedication to
his patients, his scientific achievements, and his willingness to train doctors around
the world how to perform his surgery. The International scientific community was
shocked to hear of Dr. Xiao’s arrest. Those of us who know Dr. Xiao well find it
difficult to believe that he is involved in these attacks.
Dr. Xiao is a compassionate man who is respected worldwide for his integrity and his
innovative scientific contributions to society. We implore the Chinese government
and authorities to treat Dr. Xiao fairly and to protect his human rights as these
charges are investigated. Please strongly consider Dr. Xiao’s scientific and
humanitarian contributions to the world as facts are gathered in this case.
Sincerely,
Kenneth M. Peters, MD
Professor and Chairman of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan USA
Jack S. Elder, M.D.
Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System
Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute
Department of Urology,
Children's Hospital of Michigan
Detroit, MI USA
Edwin A. Smith M.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, Georgia USA
Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP
Beaumont Children's Hospital
Royal Oak, MI USA
Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.
Executive Vice President & CMO
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA
Juan José de Benito
Urologist
Hospital Nacional de Clínicas
Córdoba, Argentina.
William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIM
Clinical Manager
Clinical Neurophysiology Department
Beaumont Hospital Royal Oak, MI USA
Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAP
Chief, Division of Pediatric Urology
Beaumont Childrens Hospital
Professor of Urology, Oakland University-William
Beaumont School of Medicine
USA
Jacques Corcos MD.
Professor of Urology, McGill University
General Secretary of the International Continence
Society
Jewish General hospital
3755 Cote Ste-Catherine
Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2
Jose Gonzalez, M.D.
Department of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan USA
Christopher Payne, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Stanford University Medical School
Stanford, CA 94305-5118 USA
Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD
Director, Division of Pediatric Urology
Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-
Presbyterian
Professor of Urology, Columbia University
College of Physicians and Surgeons
3959 Broadway, CHN 1118 NY USA
Earl Y. Cheng, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Children’s Memorial Hospital
Chicago, Illinois USA
Professor of Surgery
Senior Associate Scientist
Director of Urology Research
Divisions of Urology and
Developmental & Stem Cell Biology
The Hospital For Sick Children
Institute of Medical Science
University of Toronto
Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS,
FRCS(england) FEBPU
Paediatric urology unit
Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades
149, rue de Sèvres
75015 Paris, France
Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.
Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,
Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,
4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India
Marc Cendron, MD
Associate Professor in Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA USA
Stuart B. Bauer, MD
Associate Director, Neurourology
Professor of Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA USA
Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD
Professor of Urology
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston TX USA
Richard Macchia, MD FACS
SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor
Cleveland Clinic, Florida
Benjamin Girdler, MD
Urology Center of the Rockies
Fort Collins, Colorado USA
William C. de Groat, Ph.D.
Professor of Pharmacology
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA USA
Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.
Director of Urologic Research
Temple University School of Medicine
Philadelphia, PA USA
Stanley J Kogan MD
Chief, Pediatric Urology
Children's Hospital at Montefiore
Bronx NY USA
Anthony Caldamone, MD
University Urologic Associates, Inc.
2 Dudley St Ste 185
Providence, RI 02905 USA
Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP
Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and
Pediatrics
University of South Florida
Children's Urology Group
5507 E. Longboat Blvd
Tampa FL 33615 USA
Dr. Enrique Turina
Professor of urology of the National University of
Buenos Aires
Chief of section Urology of Instituto de
Rehabilitación
Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Dr. Angel Ozón
Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos
Aires
Dr. Daniel Ekizian
Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.
Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert
Vice Chair
Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology,
Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive
Urology
Department of Urology University of Tuebingen
D72076 Tuebingen, Germany
Holly Gilmer, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan USA
Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD
Chief, Pediatric Urology
Children’s Hospital of Michigan
Detroit, MI USA
国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信
2010年9月29日
致所有人：
我们都有幸认识肖传国大夫多年。他是一位受国际学术界尊敬的外科医生和科学家，在恢复（脊椎损伤病人的）排尿和排便功能的神经再生研究中，他取得了重大进展。肖传国医生在美国完成了开创性的动物实验研究，阐明支配大腿的运动神经可以用来绕接支配膀胱和排便。这个绕接可以形成一个反射作用（反射弧）来启动来膀胱功能。他研究的成果已经多次发表在同行评议的国际科学期刊上。其他的科学家也已经重复并证实了肖医生的这些研究结果。
肖医生最终鼓起勇气将动物实验研究的成果转化到临床试验上，在中国的脊柱损伤和脊柱裂病人身上开展神经绕接（神经通路重建，即反射弧）手术。在中国，由于缺乏抗痉挛药物antimuscarinics和间歇性导尿术（自插导尿管），神经性膀胱功能障碍成为一种威胁生命的疾病。能缓解神经性膀胱功能障碍的并发症的疗法，就是一种能够拯救生命的成功。神经性膀胱和排大便功能障碍患者的病情是很痛苦的，包括遭受尿潴留、尿失禁、反复感染、肾功能不全、大便失禁、便秘等，生活质量极差。神经通路重建手术是一个非常复杂的手术，需要神经的再生。不应当把手术的成功定义为完全恢复排便排尿功能。这项手术的重点在于收益超过风险。
肖医生的临床研究成果发表在多种学术刊物上，并两次获得Jack Lapides佳作奖，这是奖励在神经泌尿科学界作出重要贡献的科学家的最崇高的国际性大奖之一。2008年，因为他的科学成就，肖医生还获得了国际儿童排尿节制学会颁发的Kelm Hjalmas演讲者（受邀做大会主题发言）荣誉。我们当中的许多人都曾经到中国去检视肖医生治疗过的患者的情况，观摩或者学习他发明的神经通路重建手术。肖医生是一位非常有经验的外科医生，他对患者热情照顾，不知疲倦地培训来自世界各地的医生们，来推广他的神经通路重建手术。
在美国，已经开展过一项独立而且严格的先期试验来检验这项手术的安全性和效益。术后一年的治疗结果最近发表在《泌尿科学杂志》（ Journal of Urology）上。在12个月的随访期间，在9位脊髓裂患者中，有7位患者，观察到皮下至膀胱的神经反射弧的构建成立，证明神经通路重建手术的确起了作用。这个成绩是了不起的，肖医生应该得到嘉奖。并且，一部分患者已经展现出大小便排便功能的改善，并将随时间推移而变得更好。术后36个月的成果正在分析中，不久就会发表。该先期试验的数据是支持“肖氏手术”的，现在受NIH（美国国立卫生研究院）资助的临床试验正在开展，以进一步在脊髓裂患者中研究腰椎至骶神经通路重建。还有，在肖医生的帮助和指导下，类似的临床试验也在世界范围内开展。
中国人民和政府应该为肖医生对病人所作出的贡献、对他的科学成就，和他在世界上培训医生以推广这项手术的诚意而自豪。国际科学界对肖医生被拘捕的消息感到震惊。我们这些了解肖医生的人，都对他涉入此案感到难以置信。
肖医生是一个极富同情心的绅士，他的诚实和对本学科作出的开创性的科学成就广受世界同行的尊敬。我们恳请中国政府和有关权威机构公正对待肖大夫，并在案情调查期间保障他的基本人权。在此事件中，请重视肖大夫对世界所作出的科学和人道主义事业的贡献。
谨致
Kenneth M. Peters, MD
Professor and Chairman of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan
（美国Beaumont医院泌尿科主任）
Jack S. Elder, M.D.
Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System
Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute
Department of Urology, Children's Hospital of Michigan
Clinical Professor of Urology, Case School of Medicine
(美国密西根儿童医院泌尿科主任)
Edwin A. Smith M.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, Georgia
（美国艾默里大学医学院临床助理教授）
Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP
Board Certified in Pediatric Urology
Comprehensive Urology
William Beaumont Children's Hospital
（美国William Beaumont儿童医院医生）
Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.Executive Vice President & CMOBeaumont HospitalRoyal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA
（美国Beaumont医院执行副总裁）
Juan José de Benito
Urologist
Hospital Nacional de Clínicas
Córdoba, Argentina.
（阿根廷国立医院）
William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIMClinical ManagerClinical Neurophysiology DepartmentBeaumont Hospital Royal Oak
（美国Beaumont医院临床神经生理科临床主管）
Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAPChief, Division of Pediatric UrologyBeaumont Childrens HospitalProfessor of Urology, Oakland University-William Beaumont School of Medicine
（美国Beaumont儿童医院泌尿科主任，奥克兰大学医学院教授）
Jacques Corcos MD.Professor of Urology, McGill UniversityGeneral Secretary of the International Continence SocietyJewish General hospital3755 Cote Ste-CatherineMontreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2
（加拿大麦基尔大学泌尿学教授，国际儿童排尿节制学会秘书长）
Jose Gonzalez, M.D.
Department of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan
（美国Beaumont医院泌尿科医生）
Christopher Payne, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Stanford University Medical School
Stanford, CA 94305-5118
（美国斯坦福大学医学院泌尿学副教授）
Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD
Director, Division of Pediatric Urology
Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian
Professor of Urology, Columbia University
College of Physicians and Surgeons
3959 Broadway, CHN 1118
（美国哥伦比亚大学医学院泌尿学教授，儿童泌尿学分科主任）
Earl Y. Cheng, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Children’s Memorial Hospital
Chicago, Illinois
（美国芝加哥儿童医院泌尿学副教授）
Darius J. Bagli, MDCM
Professor of Surgery
Senior Associate Scientist
Director of Urology Research
Divisions of Urology and
Developmental & Stem Cell Biology
The Hospital For Sick Children
Institute of Medical Science
University of Toronto
（加拿大多伦多大学外科学教授，泌尿学研究主任）
Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS, FRCS(england) FEBPU
Paediatric urology unit
Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades
149, rue de Sèvres
75015 Paris
France
（法国Necker-Enfants-Malades医院儿童泌尿科医生）
Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India
（印度Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani医院医生）
Marc Cendron, MD
Associate Professor in Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA
（美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学副教授）
Stuart B. Bauer, MD
Associate Director, Neurourology
Professor of Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA
（美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学教授，波士顿儿童医院神经泌尿科副主任）
Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD
Professor of Urology
Baylor College of Medicine
（美国贝勒医学院泌尿学教授）
Richard Macchia, MD FACS
SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor
Cleveland Clinic, Florida
（美国Cleveland临床中心教授）
Benjamin Girdler, MD
Urology Center of the Rockies
Fort Collins, Colorado
（美国科罗拉多洛基泌尿中心医生）
William C. de Groat, Ph.D.
Professor of Pharmacology
University of Pittsburgh
（美国匹兹堡大学药理学教授）
Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.
Director of Urologic Research
Temple University School of Medicine
（美国坦普大学医学院泌尿学研究主任）
Stanley J Kogan MDChief, Pediatric UrologyChildren's Hospital at MontefioreBronx NY USA
（美国Montefiore儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任）
Anthony Caldamone, MD
University Urologic Associates, Inc.2 Dudley St Ste 185Providence, RI 02905
（美国布朗大学泌尿学中心医生）
Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and Pediatrics University of South Florida Children's Urology Group 5507 E. Longboat Blvd Tampa FL 33615
（美国南弗罗里达大学临床泌尿学教授）
Dr. Enrique Turina
Professor of urology of the National University of Buenos Aires
Chief of section Urology of Instituto de Rehabilitación
Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.
（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学教授）
Dr. Angel Ozón
Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos Aires
（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生）
Dr. Daniel Ekizian
Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.
（阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生）
Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert
Vice Chair Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology, Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive Urology Department of Urology University of Tuebingen D72076 Tuebingen, Germany
（德国Tuebingen大学泌尿学教授、主任）
Holly Gilmer, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan
（美国Beaumont医院儿童神经外科主任）
Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD
Chief, Pediatric Urology
Children’s Hospital of Michigan
（美国密西根儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任）
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方舟子的论点请参看
方舟子：驳斥武汉江汉区法院的“荒唐判决
http://it.sohu.com/20060802/n244575826.shtml
原告在2006年6月22日接受《新闻晨报》记者郭翔鹤采访时声称自己“按规定每年可有八个月在美国境外”，即原告承认自己每年在华中科技大学的工作时间不可能超过八个月，一年工作时间不到八个月的工作显然不是全职的工作。判决书声称“被告方是民未举证证明原告在纽约大学医学院泌尿系任全职职务”则更是违背事实。我向法庭出示了如下证据：美国纽约大学网站上公布的纽约大学医学院泌尿系教师名录、纽约大学医学院职称提升规定（第17页倒数第2段）、医学院泌尿系实验室介绍、纽约大学2005年1月24日发布的公告（见证据2、3、10、11）均能证明“原告肖传国在纽约大学担任全职老师”。这些证据表明：肖传国在2005年9月之前是纽约大学医学院助理教授，2005年9月以后是纽约大学医学院临床副教授，二职务均是全职职务。
其实这点现在肖的支持者已经驳斥了江汉的判决了，肖的铁杆支持者
直言了”为了证明肖水平很高，已经采用了同样的材料证明肖当时在纽约大学工作。
法院偏袒明显，把国内期刊认为也是国际期刊，咬文嚼字。
其实，本来就不该分什么国内期刊和国际期刊
最多分级就可以了
而且，更应该鼓励大家在国内期刊发表文章
不管怎么说，“成功率超过85%”被证明是个吹嘘，这可是在拿人体做实验呀
有人指出这篇声明是伪造的，英语语法不通，水平很次
分不分是另一个问题，但是你不要说国内期刊就是国际期刊。
既然不分内外，何以要搞个洋人声明出来
蒋英后来说：“当时听说要价这么高的赎金，真把我吓坏了，幸亏朋友们热情地帮助，才把他救出来。”他们至今仍念念不忘如 W· R·西尔斯（ S ears）教授、 F·马布尔（ M arble）教授、 M·米尔斯（ M ills）、登肯·兰尼（ D uncan Rannie）等等在危难之中向他们提供的帮助和表示的真诚友情。
本篇文章来源于 科技网|www.stdaily.com
原文链接：http://www.stdaily.com/special/content/2009-10/31/content_119662.htm
我说过国内期刊就是国际期刊吗？
但问题是这种分法合理吗？
当年洋人还联名支持中国自由大同盟与中国民权保障同盟，难道也是错的？
方舟子不是医学家，他对肖的批评和指责有多少能站住脚，没法评论，老肖的学术水平到底有多高，恐怕业外人士也很难下个定论。河里高手如云，又有几个能去给他下个判断呢？
但是肖被捕的原因是雇凶伤人，按照中国法律的规定，是违法乃至犯罪的行为，就是爱因斯坦或者钱学森做了这种事，也是应该依法处理。当然在上述专家们所在的国家是如何规定的，就不得而知了。
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这几句话，触动了我义和团式的敏感：他们正站在某个高度，怀着某种优越感和多多少少的蔑视，质疑中国的执法和司法程序。
那么多海外党 随便去个问问签名信里面出现过的外国佬这签名信是真是假 给他们签名的原件上面写的是什么比研究医学快捷多了。语法这种东西还是退一步的东西。
学术批评一般来说假设对方提供的数据是‘真’，较真的地方在于：
1）假设是否有价值。
2）数据和内在逻辑的自洽
3）实验设计是否能够相对有效的验证实验假设
4）结论是否有夸大。
除非有过硬的证据，否则不去挑战对方数据的真伪。圈内如果要验证基本数据的真伪，那就是真的要‘打假’了－－大动干戈，调查组要进驻实验室，封存原始笔记本，调取原始数据，个别访谈所有的实验参与者，在有效监督下重复实验等等。
－－可不是老方这样从网络上面弄点资料就能够打得了的。
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